I usually don't answer calls from numbers I don't recognise - but a couple of days back it was a scammer claiming to be from Amazon - said I had ordered an iPhone for £600 and was it a real order.

I was pretty suspicious but thought I would get them to authenticate their identity as someone really from Amazon by telling me the last thing I had really ordered was...

I must have stayed on the call for 20 minutes, eventually they ended up swearing at me - all the time I could hear other people in the same room trying the same lines on different people. I have no idea why I stayed on for so long....

The biggest red flag in all these stories is getting a call from a customer support person trying to help you. When it seems like it’s impossible to get ahold of them in a real emergency.

As of late, I have one rule: Any unknown number I'm not expecting I let it go to voicemail, where I have a message along the lines of: leave your message and your number, and if it's important I'll call you back. The only time I pick up is when I am expecting, say, a delivery, or a doctor's call, etc, and in those cases I'm only expecting to hear about a delivery or a doctor's call, etc. Hoping that can filter and help on this front.

I have a 1-2 second rule. I pick up I say hello, if someone doesn't respond in 1-2 seconds, I hang up.

They have the scammers working off phone queues, it takes a little bit of time to get the call to the scammer, who has to start off with a script, so there's a delay.

Remember, the scammer, also likely not a native english speaker, also probably bored out of their mind, has to spin up, they have to read the name, understand how to say it and then say it out loud. Their is a mental startup time that a normal conversation doesn't have.

If someone calls you and isn't ready to immediately respond to "hello" it's a scammer.

In my experience organizations providing services to me for money nowadays ususally just send mail instructing me calling a central number where I can be in the 15th place of the call queue. In case they call they do whenever they please, which is the most inopportune occasion in most cases (in the loo, in transit, in a conversation, basically busy with life!). In best case leaving a message mumbling quickly in a sound quality sounding like sitting in a bucket in ungoverned Afghanistan, with the suspected sense of calling them back on the central number (incomprehensible).

Getting a procative call for my benefit would make me very suspicious about the authenticity of that call!

I've set my phone to not answer unknown callers (those not in my address list) and more importantly, I've done this for my parents as well and further instruct them as often as possible to not believe anything they get in email. With all of this, my mom still will reach out at least once or twice a year in a panic about some scam email she thinks is real.

I didn't quite understand this part. Attacked has access to Google accounts because Google had cloud-synced my codes? What does that mean?

“never answering my phone when someone calls unless I'm expecting a call”

Friend’s mother got scammed. She’d contacted tech support and they said they’d call back. Then a scammer just happened to call her within that next hour…

> Ugh, google

In my experience most authenticators cloud sync automatically, at least on iOS. For most people, this is a benefit. Otherwise, lose your phone and you're stuck, I doubt most people secure recovery codes properly either.

> I wonder sometimes how many scams I've avoided simply by pretty much never answering my phone when someone calls unless I'm expecting a call or it's someone I know.

The answer is almost certainly greater than 0.

If you have to have use a phone, at minimum disable notifications and never answer it. First it removes all of the urgency. Second, the caller has to provide some way for you to contact them, which gives you a second point of contact to validate.

Never, ever, use a cloud password manager, that's just dumb. Combining these things together in some sort of master account -- be it Google, Apple, Microsoft -- is also terrible. It's like leaving all of your savings accounts, checking, and investments at a single bank.

All of this stuff is going to get way worse because of AI. You'll be talking to real people you know personally who are 100% not AI but were tricked in to asking you to do something by other AI enabled scammers. However aggressive I've suggested people be in the past probably isn't going to be enough for 5 years from now.

These things have always been possible, and have been done, but now they can be done at scale, with advanced testing to figure out what works on who, whereas before it was targeting the guy who kept posting pictures of expensive watches on his public Instagram.

It's honestly irresponsible to pick up phone calls at this point. Phishers are really good, and every human has some weakness, so you can't guarantee you wouldn't fall for something -- perhaps one day a new vulnerability comes out and your old guidance is no longer perfect. Answering the phone at all is just putting yourself at risk