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atrettel parent
In my experience, some employers don't even care if you have a competing offer. They will change nothing. I've written about this before [1]. To me, the best thing about having multiple offers is that you can at least make a choice.

[1] https://www.hackerneue.com/item?id=43598192


Aurornis
I worked at a company where HR would request a copy of the competing offer. Very frequently, the candidate would come up with reasons why they couldn’t show the offer letter to HR. Often it was some story about having a verbal offer or something equally flimsy.

HR eventually just assumed the mythical competing offer was a bluff, and to be honest from everything I saw that was most likely correct for the average applicant.

As someone who always interviewed and negotiated honestly, it was kind of shocking to learn how often candidates lied about everything from where they worked in the past to having competing offers.

Melatonic
Is that legal ? I guess it is. Can't you just say "no" and not come up with an excuse ?
RHSeeger
That was my first thought. I'm sorry, no. That offer is between them and me, and I'm not comfortable sharing information that isn't owned solely by me. All you need to take out of it is that that offer is my current lower bar and, if you're not willing interesting in negotiating based on it, then we're probably done here.
benhurmarcel
Sure you can. But then they'll just assume it's a bluff.
inetknght
> I worked at a company where HR would request a copy of the competing offer

"I'm sorry, but the offer is from a stealth startup who does not wish their name to be known."

> it was kind of shocking to learn how often candidates lied about everything from where they worked in the past to having competing offers.

That's the real gut punch. Honest hard-working people are getting shafted while liars and thieves get ahead.

honestly I have no problem with that if they are firm about not negotiating - I actually respect that stance greatly and see it as a green flag. it just bothers me if I am shortchanging myself working somewhere that other people have successfully negotiated higher salaries for and I have not.
aianus
This just means you'll be working with people that had no other option. Massive red flag.
or that i'll be working with people who also appreciate a culture where your salary is not based on your negotiation skills, and you don't have to worry about making less than someone doing the same job as you simply because you were less convincing or had less leverage when you joined.
Why would you think that just because nobody negotiated, somehow everyone doing the same job will be making the same amount? In reality, they will all be making the lowest amount the hiring manager was comfortable offering at the time.

You are confusing lack of negotiation with transparent compensation, which is extremely rare in the US (outside the government).

> Why would you think that just because nobody negotiated, somehow everyone doing the same job will be making the same amount?

well, at least from personal experience, I'm talking about the kind of company that explicitly says "we want to make you an offer as a software engineer, at such and such level, and this is the fixed salary for that job+level". they could have been lying of course, but once you start going down that rabbit hole you might as well not take the offer.

esseph
Seems like a fight against reality
heylook
There are plenty of places where this is the standard.

Anecdote time: I joined a not-quite-FAANG in an acquihire. Some of my teammates negotiated hard on the way in; I did not. After I got into management, I learned that they're perfectly willing to give you an extra $10k on your initial salary offer, but then you just get a lower raise after the first year, so everyone ends up in the same spot almost immediately anyway. The $10k was a rounding error in the total comp, and anyway they preferred to have steady employees who could be happy in a good situation for many years, rather than mercenaries who were more likely to chase vanity metrics and leave half-finished projects when they left in 18 months. Equity comp was generous and non-negotiable.

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