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Cyclists need to do a better job following the conventions and laws of the road. That would, on its own, dramatically increase safety of riders.

Cyclists are pretty much the least predictable "vehicle" on the road.

Are we a car today and following the laws? Or are we going to blaze right through that red light intersection because we're a bike! We're so close to a new Strava PR, after all! Sudden left turn across traffic - look out for me, I don't even look over my shoulder!


Drivers need to do a better job following the conventions and laws of the road. The number of times that a driver has merged into my bike lane to make a right hand turn without checking over their shoulder (or merging into me on purpose, if they're in a killing mood) is (metaphorically) uncountable. And no, only checking your mirror doesn't count! You reduce your blind spot if you actually turn your head, which is why you have to turn your head in your driver's license exam!

I have been pushed off the road by a Tesla merging into a right turn lane -- a vehicle with a million sensors that should have been screaming at its driver. My friend, who was on a bicycle and following the conventions and laws of the road, was killed by a driver making a right hand turn.

Many states (in the US) have minimum safe passing distances required for drivers to adhere to when passing a bicycle. Maybe 90% of the time (anecdotally, in very liberal-leaning, bike-heavy areas of the Bay Area in California!) they don't. And so in return, we take the lane (as we are permitted to do, by law), and pissed-off motorists try to kill us.

These things also happen to motorcycle riders.

The biggest difference is motorcycle riders don't ride in the bike lane until suddenly and without warning they pop into the road lane and ride straight through stop signs and red lights.

Cyclists are often the plague of the road. Can't decide if they want to be treated like a real vehicle, or a pedestrian. They often choose both, whichever being convenient for them at the time. This often leads to the interactions you have described.

Can cars be better around cyclists? Sure, without any doubts. But... cyclists need to do better around cars too. After all, the cyclist will always lose that fight.

I see bicycle cops riding on the sidewalk on the wrong side of the road as if they were entirely ignorant of the law around bicycles. If they were chasing suspects or some other urgency I'd let it slide but often they seem to just be out for a spin.

I've had cyclists collide with me as a pedestrian and run right into parked cars because they aren't looking where they are going. Way too many of them think that everybody is responsible for their safety except for them.

Lots of people hit by cars aren't around to comment on HN about how much it sucked
>Cyclists need to do a better job following the conventions and laws of the road.

I cannot but believe that every person that says that has never done any significant cycling on an urban area. If you’re riding a bike you don’t need to do a “stop” and every sign, (note that I said “need” not “should”) just pay attention and slow down as needed, same as red lights. Stopping means wasted energy but you also have to remember that you are the one losing in ANY crash, doesn’t matter if you’re right or not.

Drivers always complain that cyclists are unpredictable, and then kill the most predictable cyclist by simply failing to check before changing lanes.
This happened during my morning commute today:

Another cyclist and I stop at a stop sign, him waiting to turn left, I waiting to turn right, onto a main road (which notably does not have a stop sign).

A car traveling straight on the main road comes to a complete stop and waves at us cyclists with a "go ahead" hand gesture. We remain stopped, because the car has right of way.

Meanwhile there's a small traffic jam forming on the main street as some maintenance vehicles are waiting for the car to move so they can turn onto the side street. If us cyclists were to follow the car driver's "instructions" we would have to violate right-of-way for multiple flows of traffic.

Finally the car driver gets fed up at everyone else's insistence on following the law. Makes a rude gesture, shakes their head, and continues straight. The maintenance guys can finally turn, then the bikes.

I guess my point is: car drivers need to do a better job of following the conventions and laws of the road.

You're hinting at one of my personal pet peeves - people who make up new road "conventions" then insist everyone else follow them... which usually leads to less-safe situations, exactly like you have described here.

This includes people who put on their hazard lights when slowing down in traffic on the freeway. The entire world has decided brake lights are the universal signal for slowing down and/or stopping - yet these knuckle heads think that's not enough. So they do unexpected things and unintentionally create more unsafe conditions where people might not understand what's going on and try to go around thinking it's a disabled vehicle, etc.

In general, people need to stick to the well-defined and accepted rules and conventions of the road. That's how everyone stays safe.

> put on their hazard lights when slowing down in traffic on the freeway

I appreciate people who do that when the traffic ahead of them is stopped, not just slowing. It's hard to anticipate or evaluate a full-speed -> stopped situation, and hazard lights in addition to brake lights clearly communicates "this is an extreme case". If they're being used routinely in slow-and-go traffic then I will agree with you, but fortunately I don't see that where I live.

It's extremely poor form to victim blame cyclists. Cars are the killers in the equation, and cars are the problem.
A cyclist rides through a red light (as they frequently do) and gets hit by a car - car's problem?

I think not.

I highly doubt that the source of cyclists being killed is to any significant fraction from them running red lights. Feel free to provide a factual basis for the claim.
Some googling yielded: https://www.bikeattorney.com/bike-accident-common-causes.htm...

  18 percent – driver failed to see cyclist
  24 percent – cyclist ran a red light or failed to stop for a stop sign
  22 percent – driver or passenger opened a car door into an oncoming cyclist
24% is quite significant indeed.

It is arguable the 22% caused by open car doors is also negligence on the cyclist's part. Riding that fast and that close to doors that may or may not suddenly open without warning is negligent. It would be akin to a lane-splitting motorcyclist failing to anticipate someone might change lanes without warning during heavy traffic.

The problem could be avoided if the intersection had cameras able to notice the approaching bicycle and give it a green light.

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