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Just goes to show the difference in work cultures. Here in the UK I could quite happily have the match up on another monitor, nobody would bat (pun unintended) and eyelash. I'm not sure I could do that with a game that requires more oversight though, test cricket, especially, is slow to watch. Fun though!

I'm not sure that's "UK" specific but probably more office/company/leadership specific..

I don't live in the UK..

For the 2018 World Cup my department repurposed several meeting room TVs to stream matches and folks could gather in those rooms to work while watching the games.

Work still got done on time.

At the same time, a friend who worked down the street forwarded me an all-team memo from his boss that warned employee sick day requests would be "extra scrutinized" during the World Cup. So yeah.. Leadership.

During the last Winter Olympics, IT asked people to please watch on a projector or a common screen in the office, since it took such a toll on the network when everyone had their separate stream.
At a previous job I held a decade ago the network team purchased several TV tuner cards & a DirecTV subscription. They then set up IP multicast, gave the Helpdesk the DirecTV remotes, and set up a Wiki page with instructions on how to watch & a schedule of upcoming special events.
Huh TIL people still watch the Olympics. :-P
Brave from an F1 fan.
Haha fair (but creepy since I guess you had to go crawl my comments or my Twitter to figure that out)
In preparation of Ind vs Pak World Cup semi-final in 2011, about 125 people had applied for a leave (me included!) in a 150-person company I used to work in. The management eventually decided to stream the match in office.

All leave applications were cancelled :)

My previous job just had the sports playing on the displays around the office. If you couldn’t see one from your desk, IT would wheel over a portable meeting TV with sport on it for you. If it was a notable event, and you didn’t even want to pretend you were working, there’d be a stream in one of the auditoriums with audio.

They had to pay a pretty hefty license for the whole headcount of the office, and they whole thing started because one team leader wanted to watch EPL. It was a pretty great place to work tbh.

At almost all of my previous jobs we were allowed to either watch World Cup games at the workplace, or go home during the game if we weren't interested. It felt fair to everyone, and work still got done. It helps that the countries where this happened were Germany, Brazil and Argentina.
2018 World Cup...the owner's son at the place I was working at was going through a stage where he "liked soccer" (we are in the US), and in some sort of attempt to look cool or something, he streamed the games in the lunch room on projectors, at the collaboration table TV's, and they allowed employees to stream the game at their desks.

After the first day, the rest of the company complained enough about the speed of the internet that we had to block it on the firewall.

> the rest of the company complained enough about the speed of the internet

That’s why you stream it to only one conference room (or a small number). By making it explicitly approved for those rooms, you can limit the people who are doing it more clandestinely. Then you only take the bandwidth hit for a smaller number of streams.

Even if you don’t want to encourage it, the better managers would accept that it’s going to happen and then try to minimize the impact.

Exactly.. Just think of it as an all-hands meeting but where people actually care about the outcome!
Worked at a place where the boss made everyone uninstall iTunes when it first came out because he considered it distracting to listen to music all day.
Was it also an open-plan office? Lol
You know it.
The US often has the same issue with the first couple of rounds of the NCAA mens basketball tournament. There are 32 games over the first two days (Thursday and Friday) starting at noon. The internet at work has always gotten slower on those days.

The CBS online stream even has a “boss mode” with a fake spreadsheet.

At Blue Shield of CA, they used a web filter to block all websites that were for "Entertainment purposes" (back in 2015). Even music streaming wasn't allowed across the whole company. We ultimately just streamed music/things on our phones, etc but it was one of the more absurd IT policies for a company of grown adults.
It is called low trust environment.

In high trust environment nobody cares what you are doing -- you are trusted to manage your time to produce results best you can. You are given a challenge and you figure your way to deliver results. We are all adults and we understand different people work differently but most people are unable to keep focus uninterrupted for 8h straight, day after day.

In a low trust environment management thinks they can improve productivity by banning activities that have nothing to do with work.

The reality is that banning everything else than work is not causing people to do more work. It just causes them to work longer but slower. Or be more inventive about avoiding work. Or just staring at the screen with your mind blank (I have been there). Also not care to manage your time better, look out for risks, improvements, etc. And then if they are any good quit after 2 years so they don't get bored to death.

Do you really want to pay your developer by the hour? This is just as stupid as paying by LoC.

Unfortunately it's more difficult for senior leaders to trust engineering because it's more difficult for most senior leaders to understand how effective their engineering team is versus how effective they should expect them to be.

You would never expect this level of micromanagement for sales because it's clear when salespeople are or are not performing. Who cares if a salesperson is only working 10 hours a day if they're bringing in more revenue than any of their peers? Everyone in leadership can see that.

However when an engineer is a top performer that's not necessarily clear. What people see are the bugs that get created, deadlines met vs not met, how quickly inquiries are responded to, etc...

This sounds legit at first sight and I thought so in the past, but as I gain more experience I find it is just an excuse.

I thought a lot about entire topic. I think excuse comes from our internal necessity to think as being better than others. I mean, if I was promoted to manager it must necessarily mean I am better than others?

And so a lot of managers persist telling that excuse to themselves (even if not consciously) that they are better and so can be trusted to do things but other people that are "under" them aren't.

Some other thoughts:

* Trusting somebody necessarily means becoming vulnerable to them. Yes, if you trust an employee it is possible they are going to cause damage. The solution is not to stop trusting employees but rather fire employees who can't be trusted.

* Trust does not mean blind trust. You can still trust people to make good decisions but then expect them to be able to explain it and to verify these decisions. An example of low trust: require lengthy process to approve software license for developer tools. High trust: allow developers to get any piece of software they need, automatically. As them to write down rationale when they request the license. If you request software honestly and can explain what it is needed for you don't have to worry and you can get it immediately.

* I believe most people want to do good. But when they are not being trusted they rationalize doing bad work (and sometimes they are really prevented from doing good work altogether).

* I have worked for a lot of companies, most with very low trust environments by some with high trust. Observing new employees joining taught me that people change when they join the company to fit the culture. People who join high trust environment mostly try to be have responsibly (within their abilities). People who join low trust environment mostly become automatons who feel they can't change anything (because they are not trusted/expected to do so).

* If you are a senior leader of a non-trivial organization, you have no other way than to put trust in your employees because there is no way you can enforce/verify everything. In low trust environments leadership puts trust in their management. In high trust environments senior leaders put trust in all their employees and use managers to detect and remedy faults in the process.

At a previous employer we had a pool table which was well used by almost every level of the company. People would regularly disappear for 20 minutes to play a couple of games.

On a whole I think it was probably neutral or even a positive for productivity. If my project manager wanted to talk through something he'd usually appear over my shoulder and just say "pool?". Similarly other people on the team when struggling with something would do the same and use the time to loosely discuss the issue (often in rubber duck fashion) or just take a few minutes to think about something else which was often enough to get things moving again.

With my current employer this is foosball.

At previous employers me and my team would sometimes do a few rounds in a team pve videogame at lunch, without anyone ever having an issue.

These things, if done in moderation, builds good team cohesion and spirit.

Shit, man, foosball ain't no joke, I can't talk while doing that!

We used to have a table at Oracle, inherited from the SUN acquisition. Managers never used it, maybe because they were mostly women. We had some furious tournaments though, where I discovered that French people play it with balls made of cork - for a slower and more technical game.

Ah yeah, I probably should have mentioned that almost the entirety of the conversations would happend while waiting to be next in line for a game, or post match.

There is little to no coherent speech that happens during those intense 5-8 minutes

wowzers, they let you....do whatever you wanted at LUNCH? how generous...
I really didn't think anyone would have difficulty understanding what was meant here...

Ofcourse the lunch break was ours to do with as we pleased. That wasn't the point.

Rather the point was that no one ever raised any issue with a group of the professional developers playing video games inside the office. And sometimes for longer times than just lunch.

That does speak to the type of people who were managers there. They realized that this was a close group of friends who were honing social and coordination skills that would feed back positively into the team's work.

I advice leaving the snarky tone at the door next time. It can usually only backfire on you.

I'm not a huge cricket fan but there's something so pleasant about having Test Match Special on a crackly longwave radio in the background when I'm working. I'll be sad when they shut AM radio down in the UK even though it's probably impossible to listen in cities at this point.
Could always get the R5 Live stream and process it, or use gnuradio/hackrf etc to rebroadcast it on AM for that real authentic vibe.

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=86181

https://www.dlineradio.co.uk/articles/building-an-am-transmi...

Yeah, I'll probably end up doing something along those lines although I reckon it'd probably be cheaper to knock up a little circuit to generate AM from the analogue audio output rather than using an SDR.
This can also be company or department specific. I remember when we moved, I encouraged and actually pushed that we arrange everything in a full privacy mode, regardless of where you stay and how many people are in the office, no one can see your screen or desk without coming up behind you. It's funny how other departments in our same company have a clear hierarchy, where the boss has full privacy and everyone under him needs to have their screens placed that they are visible at all time/when entering the office. The funniest, or maybe saddest was another dev team that forced everyone to face the walls around each office, so the screens are always public.
Nothing to do with being in the UK btw
This. Bringing up UK in this context is inherently implying that it is the country one lives in that is responsible for the quality of work culture. In particular, it implies the work culture in UK is by default better than in India. That's just bad.

And if someone doesn't get that, just replace that with "Here in Germany" or "Here in the USA" and you instinctively understand the notion of nationalism this transpires.

Sure, I get that. I live in the UK though, I didn't want to put the company I work for, it's that simple. The original poster was in India, which is known for a little more strict conditions, also. I've also never needed to use any obfuscated interface to check on scores etc, anywhere I've worked here.
There is a certain culture in the UK that it is OK to monitor the cricket scores. I have seen this multiple times. Test cricket is a 5 day event, so you do not need to monitor too closely in most situations
Indeed, I used to work on a trading floor where they'd show cricket on the wide screens. The game is so slow it kinda lends itself to that. You can concentrate, then turn your head when there's a wicket.
At a previous office, I sent a video to someone. Some time later, I asked if they had seen it yet. They had not. It turns out that team didn't watch videos during working hours, but my team did.
Things can get pretty intense with IT "body shops" in India where the company literally makes money on the hour.

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