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Ignore 99% of the responses in this thread, particularly any that say "I think...", "It seems fair...", and so on. You're in a legal situation here, if you are worried, contact a lawyer.

Bunk. He spent 2 days on a hobby project with no hopes of ever making any money off of it. It makes no sense to spend time and money consulting a lawyer over this.
untog OP
Then it also makes no sense to not comply with the request. "It was just a weekend project" is not a legal defense.
smartwater
If I complied with every request like this, I wouldn't have made a single successful website. You shouldn't be so afraid to stand up for yourself. Entrepreneurs need to have thick skin and not buckle under every little bit of pressure.
stingraycharles
Every website you made received requests like these? If you don't mind me asking, what kind of websites do you make? I've never received requests like these myself.
smartwater
I have been asked to remove profiles, data, images, features, the entire website, the domain, links, the list goes on. Sometimes just a few, sometimes an amount that would cripple the business. Most of the claims are overreaching bullying or ignorance. Sometimes they are just completely out of their mind nut jobs that don't understand how stuff works.
They haven't spent money on a lawyer yet, so why should he?
jamesaguilar
Does this grant him legal immunity?
jessaustin
I'm writing to ask... we consider....

Assuming the posted letter is complete, a lawyer can't really do anything at this point. The letter (or is it actually an email?) doesn't invoke any requirements one is bound by law to obey. One might even say that it's careful not to do so, so I suspect that even though the "Director of Operations" signed it, it was originally written by a lawyer. This would actually be a useful form letter for people who have their underpants on a bit too tight: even if they send it five times a month, it doesn't create any sort of SLAPP liability or anything else that will damage Snapchat in a legal sense. Of course, giving someone 12 hours to comply with anything looks like amateur hour. tlack isn't the only party reluctant to run up billable hours.

IANAL. If I were, I would recommend you start paying me or one of my colleagues to talk with you immediately.

jrochkind1
A lawyer can give you legal advice. That is a lawyer's job.

You do not need to wait until you are sued or prosecuted to get advice from a lawyer.

They say "we consider Snaphax to be an unlawful circumvention device under 17 U.S.C. § 1201(a)(1)."

They are implying he would be subject to lawsuit and/or criminal prosecution if he keeps distributing the software.

How likely is that to happen? How risky is it for the guy? How expensive might the defense be, and how much pain might this be for a weekend project?

I'm not really sure. But you know what class of people are expert at answering questions like that? Lawyers.

But, sure, if the poster want to keep it up anyway cause you think it's bullshit and are willing to see what they do next, certainly that's another option. It's potentially a brave and commendable one.

But I wouldn't do it because a bunch of people on HN who don't know what they're talking about told me that since they didn't use some special magic words in the letter, there's "nothing a lawyer can do", what?

dragonwriter
> Assuming the posted letter is complete, a lawyer can't really do anything at this point.

A lawyer can analyze the facts of what you have done, and provide you with advice as to whether it is likely to be found to be an anti-circumvention device under the cited section of the DMCA and, if so, what the likely consequences of that are and what steps you can take to mitigate any exposure you might have in that regard (including, if there are any, steps short of taking down the existing offering.)

Of course, you could wait to see if they actually file a suit rather than having a lawyer look at the C&D, but if you do that, then there will be less, not more, that a lawyer can do for you.

jessaustin
...there will be less, not more, that a lawyer can do for you.

At this point in time, OP can take down the repo (but not the 115-and-counting forks thereof), or modify it (someone suggested removing keys issued by Snapchat), or not. How will this set of options change if Snapchat file suit? Of course one must respond to a suit, but couldn't one's response be "ok we've complied with all requests"?

If you're telling me that the suit could allege OP owes Snapchat money for his/her misdeeds, that's true, but it's always true, even after one complies with the sort of namby-pamby "C&D" we see here.

jamesaguilar
If Snapchat files suit, all of the options that might have avoided a lawsuit are now off-limits. Assuming that's a non-empty set, a strict subset of the choices currently available will be available at that point in time.
rhizome
Snapchat will not have all of the options available to them until they send a valid C&D.
27182818284
>12 hours to comply with anything looks like amateur hour.

For what it is worth, we were given a few days in a cease and desist letter recently and our $250/hr lawyer laughed at the idea of just a few days notice. 12 hours or even a few days now doesn't seems serious at all.

simias
I think he's asking for moral, not legal advice.
mattmaroon
Asking for moral advice when you need legal advice isn't a good idea. The two are often conflicting.
If the moral advice is punt it, the legal issue is moot.
petsos
Save the lecturing, you don't know if he needs legal advice. Maybe he has already gotten legal advice.
bradleyland
The quote below is decidedly "legal" in nature. The meta-question of whether the author is interested in moral guidance or legal advice is immaterial, as the framework within which Snapchat is operating is legal.

> I am under the impression that reverse engineering is still protected under fair use doctrines. Is this the case? How should I respond, if at all?

Speaking as someone who has been involved in an arduous civil matter for the last four years, matmaroon's advice would be well heeded.

bradleyland
I would also like to point out to tlack that prior to having been dragged in to a civil suit four years ago, there was no shortage of people (pseudo legal professionals and otherwise) that were all to happy to shout at me with a similar refrain:

"There's no way they can sue you for that."

"No way a judge will even allow this case."

"This case will be dismissed after the first hearing."

When someone sends you a letter like this, the first decision you have to make is "how much is this thing worth to me". Once you've decided that it's worth fighting for, your best counsel will come from a lawyer, who can help you determine the thing that really matters: how much it's going to cost you.

tehwebguy
Agreed, talk to an attorney.
fargolime
Agreed, never hesitate to drop $10K on an attorney for any request like this, even if it bankrupts you. Better safe than sorry.
guynamedloren
What, really? $10k on an attorney for something like this? Seems a bit excessive... they haven't even got their lawyers involved yet.
fargolime
That's only 20 hours of a good attorney's time, plus his/her expenses. One wouldn't want shoddy representation on such an important matter, right?
guynamedloren
I guess that's what I'm confused about.. No legal action has been taken (or even threat of legal action), so isn't that overkill at this point? Seems like something that would require a few hours of advice at most. Perhaps I'm vastly underestimating the legal ramifications here.
fargolime
Sorry, I'm being sarcastic. It's a pet peeve of mine that people say to lawyer up at such early point.

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