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I’m not sure how this is the center. We have devolved into something else. This is an expression of the tight control this authoritarian government holds on business. What we’re stumbling toward is possibly white nationalism. It’s not just the crackdowns on free speech, which are now commonplace, but mass deportation and concentration camps. I get that DEI is a conservative talking point but what’s taking shape before our eyes is far more sinister than just a rollback of Democrat identity politics.
White nationalism is the neutral state of the United States, hence the misperception of a return to “the center”.
How does meritocracy and color-blind hiring lead to white nationalism, mass deportation and concentration camps? Are you suggesting that foreign-born population would fail if judged on merit? That seems like quite a leap.
Google’s DEI rollback might seem like it’s just an example of liberal-conservative culture war but what’s happening is more sinister than that. We should read it in context. A mega-corp strategically bowing before the government like this is an example of the growing authoritarianism as the US leans further toward white nationalism. The concentration camps and mass deportations are already occurring. Stripping racial minorities of citizenship is looking to be the next step - which may seem implausible until you consider how effective this regime has been at collapsing the checks and balances on its powers.
White nationalism? Dude fuck off
Numerous officials in the current administration including prominent financiers have expressed white nationalist, Christian nationalist, authoritarian and anti-democratic views. At this point we’re willfully sticking our heads in the sand if we think this isn’t what’s going on.
Those are the choices now.

Software has to be developed entirely (or practically so. European descendant people are ~15% of the global population so representation above that size is clear systemic/latent racism) by Africans or you're a Nazi. No compromise is possible or moral.

Many who aren’t Nazis oppose DEI. But Google bowing to the government is more than just a conservative talking point. It’s the latest example of the cowing of business by an authoritarian government. The current government is at odds with those who oppose both DEI and authoritarianism, even as it dismantles DEI.
How is opposing DEI not ideologically aligned with the nazis? As I pointed out not trying to correct white overrepresentation is racism.
> Let's shut down these employee networks based on immutable characteristics.

Each of these networks is open to everyone. You can be straight and a member of the LGBTQ+ network just fine. You can be white and join the Black network too.

The networks exist because people have (and are) the targets of persecution. It's nice to find other people who will understand what that feels like and make connections and advocate for less systematic persecution.

I hope we do get a bit more sense in things.

I’m worried that the pendulum will swing far past center and back to biases though.

I’m a bit of a leftie, but it has been really painful for the last 10 years watching my side be the one that is actively racist and proposing systematic racism & sexism with a bare face.

We should be mindful that inside each of us is a significant amount of value, and under the right circumstances that can be unlocked to be great- despite any political or physiological differences.

> I’m a bit of a leftie, but it has been really painful for the last 10 years watching my side be the one that is actively racist and proposing systematic racism & sexism with a bare face.

Examples?

> We should be mindful that inside each of us is a significant amount of value, and under the right circumstances that can be unlocked to be great- despite any political or physiological differences.

Wouldn’t that be wonderful? But in the meantime, while we wait for the racists and sexists to become enlightened, should we not have initiatives, laws, education, to protect those who have historically been underrepresented and/or discriminated against?

>should we not...

We should, though you've phrased it very generically. Obviously there is a line, and actively disadvantaging those who are systemically/historically advantaged is chaos - I'm even comfortable calling it immoral. "Treating the symptom", or "brute-forcing" it, is a catastrophe in culture-sized problems.

Ideally, via cultural development, one day we can look at statistics and see that no race or gender gets more/better jobs than another. Legally demanding that it simply be the case is insane.

One example:

Apple VP stated officially as their hiring policy:

>We’ve made some changes to the way we do manager hiring … There’s two questions at the top of an offer when it goes to approval. One is that a female was interviewed and that a URE [underrepresented employee] was interviewed. And … for management positions, I have said that I won’t approve an offer unless there’s a yes next to one of those.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UfuYjAj1jZM

https://aflegal.org/press-release/america-first-legal-demand...

This is illegal, it clearly violates the civil rights act.

It's a tragedy how many people feel unrepresented by their nearest political party. Everybody is necessarily rounded to "right" or "left", but they both have such obvious, horrible issues (this is not a "both sides" argument, because I believe the issues of the right are much worse than the issues of the left).
I agree with everything you said to some degree, except, unfortunately, the first sentence. The pendulum is obviously swinging to the right, generally, which, to be 100% transparent, I believe is worse than when the pendulum is on the left. I wish we could keep it centered, but I guess that's not how it works.
We are restoring the straightforward principle of merit-based hiring. This is not a "right wing" concept. It is simply fair.

We are moving away from a cultural Marxist leftwing ideology ("equity"), which meant discriminatory hiring as a kind of "eye-for-an-eye" collective punishment against a mostly innocent group of people based on their immutable birth characteristics. Retaliatory justice against a population for perceived historic unfairness. That is an extremist policy.

It's only because the Overton Window shifted to the left that some people don't consider "equity" policies as extreme.

We are moving from the extreme left towards the centre.

Pendulums don't swing towards center, they end up resting on center when they run out energy. This analogy mostly fails because center is not correct, it is generally just less wrong than the extremes but sometimes the extremes are right.
>return to meritocracy, colour-blind hiring

Yeah, let's "return" to that. Let's "go back" to the good old pre-racism days that we all remember that totally happened.

Please enlighten me as to when this period occurred in American history. Forget America, give me an example in any ethnically diverse society.

This is absolutely correct; it's as true in the UK as in the USA. Nobody can identify even the slightest window of time in which there really was a non-sexist, colour-blind, non-homophobic, chill meritocratic consensus that did not need rebalancing.

People often point at the 1980s but culture was extremely aware back then of the need to re-balance, but it did so in a kind of crass way at every level of the media. Token hiring was rampant, and used as a way to wash society's hands of the problem by laundering seemingly diverse figures into the unmodified culture, as long as they didn't question it too much.

I would echo your point. Anyone here: when was it better, genuinely, for everyone, than it is now? When was it less complicated?

This comment got me thinking how relative the centre is to your experience, ideology, and perhaps the particular policies being referenced.

From my vantage point the US has never in my lifetime been remotely left of centre, they are moving from right to slightly further right.

DEI hiring is of course an easy target. It's a weak policy to tackle a complicated problem with obvious flaws and no track record of success. I think a truly left wing society would have quickly replaced it with more direct policies to hit generational poverty - EU style public education comes to mind.

The center of political pendulums is a maintenance of the status quo.
Visualizing it as a "pendulum" is probably not accurate. That assumes that there is some natural force like gravity or entropy seeking some neutral "center". What's happening here is a human force (the federal government) is acting deliberately by telling companies to adopt ideology or not be federal contractors. It's not some natural force swinging things left and right.
Not the center, we’re returning to the hellish far right shithole after making marginal progress towards the center.
It has nothing to do with a swinging pendulum and everything to do with training corporate America to obey in advance: strategically-chosen wedge issues that can be used to train major businesses, non-profits, universities and law firms to first ask what the executive might not like, before acting.
>It's time to return to meritocracy, colour-blind hiring and treating all employees as equally valuable.

We can't return to a state we've never been in.

Meritocracy has never existed - wealth, status, privilege and connections have always mattered. Colorblind hiring has never existed - race has always been a factor, and all employees have never been equally valuable to all others.

So let's be honest about where we're going - back to the status quo under which there was nothing in place, even in theory, to counteract the systemic effects of racial bias in hiring.

In a meritocracy you need to have equal chances to show merit. I’m not American and I don’t give a damn about DEI. But talking about meritocracy in a country where schools get funding based on the property taxes of the school district is pathetic. Maybe DEI wasn’t the answer but at some point some people just need help to be on a fair and level playing field.

I’m actually somewhat surprised that people see this as good. Like I said, maybe DEI wasn’t a good solution but seeing this as anything but a step back is just weird.

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