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meepmorp parent
how can it respond to voice prompts if it's not listening?
echoangle
The claim was always-on mic and camera. The mic might be always on, the camera doesn’t have to.
demosthanos
I responded to that above. If the mic is always on and controls the camera (both of which are demonstrated in the promo video), any reasonable approach to infosec needs to treat the camera as always on as well.
echoangle
Maybe, but that doesn’t mean that the camera is always on. It’s like saying a person holding an empty gun and a magazine is holding a loaded weapon because they can quickly reload it. It doesn’t really change the effect but it’s still an error.
demosthanos
Whether an empty gun and a magazine counts as a loaded gun varies state-by-state, so the distinction is not as clear-cut as you make it sound. New York State penal code defines a loaded gun as follows:

> 15. "Loaded firearm" means any firearm loaded with ammunition or any firearm which is possessed by one who, at the same time, possesses a quantity of ammunition which may be used to discharge such firearm.

So I guess I'm using the New York definition of an always-on camera.

https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/265.00

toofy
and you trust meta with this? i don’t mean to be crass but that would be crazy.

they have proven over and over and over and over again they are absolutely not trustworthy.

at some point we have to come to grips with the fact that people like zuck, elon, andreeson, and other tech monarchs are openly hostile and despise us when we ask for anything remotely resembling transparency for their companies but repeatedly abuse us and openly scoff at our privacy.

the fact that we collectively don’t understand the repercussions of this really is a bad sign.

i very well may have misunderstood your meaning, tho. i hope so.

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