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incomingpain parent
They arent.

They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.


stingrae
They are, it could be that the vast majority are acting in good faith, but the videos show a very different story. There is also no statement from ICE renouncing bad behavior from their agents.

Also, you are going to have a hard time suing if you are an El Salvadorian prison.

atmavatar
Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process.

If they're just going to kidnap people and take them away to El Salvadorian prisons, things like probable cause, miranda rights, and evidence are moot.

anon291
Except that is not what is happening. Usually, if you're arrested in the process of them trying to simply make space to carry out their official business, you just get removed and released. That is what is happening here. Contrary to various claims that citizens are being 'deported' en masse. Fewer than 70 out of millions of deportations last year were US citizens. These were either mistakes or had good reasons (such as minor citizen children).
incomingpain OP
>Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process.

Well I got downvoted and everyone like you seem to think due process has been suspended.

Literally before I posted the guy had been released.

""I am just fine, I lost a button, but I'm going to sleep in my bed tonight.""

computerthings (dead)
tootie
CBP has no authority to arrest citizens. They would have to be assuming Lander is undocumented and they clearly have no reason to suspect that.
tacticalturtle
There’s a lot we don’t know about the composition of the group here.

The Trump administration has been routinely embedding other agencies like the FBI in ICE operations:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ice-oper...

Impeding federal law enforcement officers is a crime - to which other federal officers (not sure about ICE) have the ability to make an arrest.

BobaFloutist
Does asking for confirmation that you're a federal agent with the power to detain/arrest constitute impeding? Because I hope you see how that's a bad path to go down.

Yes, you're required to comply with law enforcement. But if you're required to comply with unidentified law enforcement, we're gonna have problems.

FireBeyond
In their eyes, absolutely it does.

Just as in many jurisdictions you can be arrested for Resisting Arrest as the sole charge. "We weren't going to or had no grounds to arrest you, but since you resisted[1], we're now arresting you for that."

[1] for varying definitions of "resist"

tacticalturtle
That’s not what happened here though.

In the video I saw, Lander wasn’t asking the agents to prove that they were law enforcement. He was asking if they had a judicial warrant to detain the person he was holding onto. He did seem to believe they were law enforcement.

The problem is, ICE doesn’t need a judicial warrant to detain someone suspected of immigration offenses in a public space. Lander didn’t seem to know this, or at least feigned ignorance.

What do you do with someone who doesn’t know the law, and is actively interfering with a planned arrest? Briefly detaining them seems like a reasonable path to get the job done.

FireBeyond
> You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

Common refrain in these reports, "Was refused access to counsel, and loaded onto a plane/taken to a facility".

US citizens have already been arrested and ICE has tried to deport them.

Multiple US citizens in Los Angeles were recently arrested on the street. Whole thing was caught on camera. Dudes are literally yelling, "I'm a US citizen, I was born here" and the ICE folks didn't give a crap.

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