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stingrae parent
It is insane that federal agents are allowed to roam around in masks, without ID and just arrest people.
jkestner
Even more insane that the lack of accountability means that common criminals and vigilantes pose as federal agents to kidnap or rob people. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/us/ice-impersonators-on-the-r...
lawn
Or, you know, murder people.
jkestner
I suppose it’s a feature. We don’t care if someone else gets you, as long as you’re scared and compliant.
mindslight
It's also insane that state governors haven't deployed their national guards to keep the peace against these lawless masked kidnap gangs [0]. Arrest them with guns drawn like any other violent criminals in the act, and keep them in jail until state judges can review the details of their situation.

This applies more to other kidnappings and less here, because this happened in a fascist-controlled building. But the point is we need to start drawing these types of hard dividing lines based on state authority following the law in good faith, rather than deferring to an autocratic federal executive that increasingly interprets it in bad faith.

[0] sorry fascism-cheerleaders - without uniforms, legal documentation of their authority, accountability to bystanders, and duly-issued arrest warrants, this is what they are.

fzeroracer
The speed with which other Americans went from 'we need guns to protect ourselves from the feds trampling over our rights' to 'federal agents bagging someone with zero identification or justification is OK actually' really does go to show how much of that was bluster. It's obvious to me that if federal agents weren't concerned with backlash for obviously illegal actions they would properly present themselves.
metalcrow
The true reason for this is that there are two (basically) groups of people in the US. The group that is pro gun might be opposed to this, but are not going to directly use weapons to defend themselves unless targeted. And they are not being targeted in this situation, so we don't see that coming into play.
FireBeyond
100% - one recent comment by Kevin Sorbo sadly nails it:

> “Is your freedom more important than my safety?!”

> I don’t know you, my lunch is more important to me than you are.

potato3732842
Any agent of the state. If I were King(TM) it wouldn't even be possible to call in an anonymous tip to the most mundane of local government offices. Sure a few people would get some retribution initially but eventually it'd result in better alignment between the interests of the state and people. Anything not worth doing fully above the table isn't worth doing.
immibis
There's no evidence they were federal agents. Personally, I think they were Tren de Aragua.
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incomingpain
They arent.

They need probable cause to arrest just like any other law enforcement. If they just arrest you because you're annoying or fake charges. You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

stingrae OP
They are, it could be that the vast majority are acting in good faith, but the videos show a very different story. There is also no statement from ICE renouncing bad behavior from their agents.

Also, you are going to have a hard time suing if you are an El Salvadorian prison.

atmavatar
Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process.

If they're just going to kidnap people and take them away to El Salvadorian prisons, things like probable cause, miranda rights, and evidence are moot.

anon291
Except that is not what is happening. Usually, if you're arrested in the process of them trying to simply make space to carry out their official business, you just get removed and released. That is what is happening here. Contrary to various claims that citizens are being 'deported' en masse. Fewer than 70 out of millions of deportations last year were US citizens. These were either mistakes or had good reasons (such as minor citizen children).
incomingpain
>Of course, all that assumes the detainee is given due process.

Well I got downvoted and everyone like you seem to think due process has been suspended.

Literally before I posted the guy had been released.

""I am just fine, I lost a button, but I'm going to sleep in my bed tonight.""

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tootie
CBP has no authority to arrest citizens. They would have to be assuming Lander is undocumented and they clearly have no reason to suspect that.
tacticalturtle
There’s a lot we don’t know about the composition of the group here.

The Trump administration has been routinely embedding other agencies like the FBI in ICE operations:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ice-oper...

Impeding federal law enforcement officers is a crime - to which other federal officers (not sure about ICE) have the ability to make an arrest.

BobaFloutist
Does asking for confirmation that you're a federal agent with the power to detain/arrest constitute impeding? Because I hope you see how that's a bad path to go down.

Yes, you're required to comply with law enforcement. But if you're required to comply with unidentified law enforcement, we're gonna have problems.

FireBeyond
In their eyes, absolutely it does.

Just as in many jurisdictions you can be arrested for Resisting Arrest as the sole charge. "We weren't going to or had no grounds to arrest you, but since you resisted[1], we're now arresting you for that."

[1] for varying definitions of "resist"

tacticalturtle
That’s not what happened here though.

In the video I saw, Lander wasn’t asking the agents to prove that they were law enforcement. He was asking if they had a judicial warrant to detain the person he was holding onto. He did seem to believe they were law enforcement.

The problem is, ICE doesn’t need a judicial warrant to detain someone suspected of immigration offenses in a public space. Lander didn’t seem to know this, or at least feigned ignorance.

What do you do with someone who doesn’t know the law, and is actively interfering with a planned arrest? Briefly detaining them seems like a reasonable path to get the job done.

FireBeyond
> You can sue them for deprivation of rights.

Common refrain in these reports, "Was refused access to counsel, and loaded onto a plane/taken to a facility".

chneu
US citizens have already been arrested and ICE has tried to deport them.

Multiple US citizens in Los Angeles were recently arrested on the street. Whole thing was caught on camera. Dudes are literally yelling, "I'm a US citizen, I was born here" and the ICE folks didn't give a crap.

sQL_inject
As a legal immigrant who waited years to get my citizenship let's adjust some words here:

"It's insane illegal immigrants are allowed to roam around without ID and commit theft by subsisting on the programs legal immigrants pay for."

busyant
The two "insanities" are not mutually exclusive.

In fact, I agree with you that illegal immigrants abuse the system and unfairly consume resources. I also agree with the parent comment that people acting as a police force (i.e., ICE) should carry and present ID.

FireBeyond
As a legal immigrant who waited years to get my citizenship lets point out that most of those immigrants actually pay for the same programs too, though not always "in their name". Undocumented immigrants still pay tax and deductions on their paychecks, too.

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