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- > The clerk only visually inspects the ID document then enters the serial number into a web portal and hands it to you.
No absolutely not. There's no need for it. We don't require Internet connected beer cans to phone home to a government server and recheck your driver's license when you're cracking them open.
> When you go to "redeem" it the service relays the number back to the government server rather than your local device doing so directly
Your possession of the token when you enter it into your social media account is proof enough that you're of age. The social media website only needs to call the token issuer's API to verify its validity. And all the token issuer should know is it's a valid token sold to a buyer of legal age. Anything more is needlessly complicated and risks anonymity. No recording of IDs in any way, shape or form whatsoever.
And there's no need to involve the government or government servers in any of the implementation or technology. It can be an open, published standard. Any company that can get their cards in stores, and sold with age verification, should be able to participate. All participants can be periodically inspected by the government to ensure compliance with standards.
- This, but seriously. Maybe some age token company might also run a raffle or other promotion.
EDIT: Because age verification tokens will likely be a commodity, low-margin business with little differentiation. So I assume companies will do stuff to make their token more attractive than the competition.
- Is photographic memory a common job requirement for clerks?
Also usually once you turn a certain age they stop asking you for ID. Again, I'm not aware of how things work in place where they customarily scan and store your ID for alcohol purchases. I would lobby my legislators and fight this odious practice tooth and nail. The store is almost certainly selling that information.
- In my proposal private companies would issue the "age check cards" for sale, not the state.
And I don't know how things work in other places, but I've never had my ID scanned when buying alcohol. These days clerks don't even ask me for ID because I obviously appear to be legal age.
In my proposal the token would be a scratch off card with a unique code. It can't be associated with the transaction.
- I've never had my ID recorded at any liquor store in my life. I've bought alcohol in multiple countries. If that happens where you live I'd fight to have that practice banned legally for alcohol and tobacco purchases. Stores are definitely selling it to insurance companies.
Also after I had a certain number of birthdays, clerks have stopped demanding my ID. So my purchases are pretty much anonymous.
The card should be issued by a private company, or ideally, multiple companies. And it should be a scratch-off card with a unique code, so that codes can't be tied to transactions.
- https://www.hackerneue.com/item?id=46223051 This one works well. Or at least, as well as age verification for tobacco and alcohol. And equally privacy-preserving.
- I don't. Walk me through it. Give me an example.
- I don't know what "decline in industry" means here tbh. Emissions from industry went down, but GDP still went up. Does that mean there's "less industry" or "more industry"? How do you measure "industry"? Maybe their industry just became more efficient.
Total emissions also went down. Yeah GDP went up less than last year but that hardly matters when we're talking about an emissions reduction. Not "less emissions growth than last year", an absolute decrease.
- And it's a problem if your enemies' cultural programs get funded?
- Their economy grew 3% this year and they cut emissions. https://rhg.com/research/chinas-economy-rightsizing-2025-loo...
"economic slowdown" is an exaggeration.
- > vast amounts of money on cultural programs for countries that didn't want them.
I don't understand. How do you give someone money if they don't want it?
- > They have installed more coal capacity since 2020 than the US has total
80% or more of new electricity generation in China is renewable. They build coal capacity but they don't use more of it.
This year their absolute carbon emissions decreased.
- Are they shutting down offshore oil drilling too?
- > a 3 week bomb cyclone
Sounds pretty windy to me.
- > Any investment by China is clearly because they found a way to profit from it
An investment that doesn't make a profit is kinda pointless. Business 101.
> Your neighbor thinks he's saving the world filling his roof with cheap Chinese solar panels
And he's right. God bless him for having more sense than you.
> ignoring the toxic chemicals and human cost that went into manufacturing it
Yeah no toxic chemicals or human cost whatsoever went into digging up your coal and gasoline.
Tell us honestly: why do you gain by lying?
- > Let’s look at the economics instead of emotionally
The people who invested money into this already did.
- I think they mean you should commit yourself to something that you have to show up for regularly, because someone you care about is counting on you.
Not kids. Maybe start with a gym or workout buddy. Then work your way up to projects or volunteer work, with people you can't blow off.
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VARS Technology – which provides automatic number plate recognition (ANPR) cameras and debt recovery services to one in eight petrol stations across the UK – wrote to Nasim Khan, the registered owner of the couple’s car, in July 2023 and told her she had to pay for the cost of the fuel, plus a £30 admin fee: a total of £50.01.
Amjad, 58, was adamant he paid for the fuel with cash and was forced into a one-and-a-half-year battle with the company.
During this time the couple’s car was barred from the more than 1,300 petrol stations that VARS Technology operates at – leaving them struggling to refuel their car."
> The clerk only visually inspects the ID document then enters the serial number
I thought "the serial number" was the number on the ID document. You actually meant the number on the token scratch card. Makes sense.
> The only notable difference is that your scheme permits non-government token providers.
Right. More accurately it only permits non-government token providers.