- mdhbNever underestimate the level of grievance these people wallow in every day. Legitimately a big part of it is making up stories so they can feel like they have been victimised and can therefore say and do what they want in response because they were wronged first. The account you’re replying to is a masterclass in this exact behaviour
- I actually think shadow DOM plus CSS import assertions are an incredibly good combination and make it totally suitable as a sensible default.
- You keep doing the exact same thing on repeat literally for years at this point.
You are the one who replies here looking for a response despite knowing exactly how it was going to go. Don’t be upset when you put yourself in that situation intentionally and it doesn’t go the way you want it to and for no other reason than to misrepresent the data to suit your favourite company yet again.
Please just do both of us a favour and don’t reply, if there was a block button on here it would be much better for both of us. I’m not trying to be rude to you I just really don’t enjoy talking to you.
- Listen spending all of your free time to defend the worlds richest company no matter the circumstances is strange behaviour, I don’t know how else to put it. I think you’re odd and I’m not trying to be impolite but you’re going to have to accept the fact that people find your hobby weird.
You have once again however just done the exact same thing I accused you of where you are responding to an argument that nobody actually made and then pretending you’re somehow victorious which again is odd behaviour.
Please explain to me how you’re reconciling the idea of:
1. Apple and Firefox decided not to implement Web USB
2. The chart is measuring something entirely different.
In the web USB example that doesn’t show up in that chart precisely because more than one browser fails those tests.
The fact of the matter is that the world richest company makes the worlds shittiest browser and has some of the most unusual fans.
- Apple absolutely does allow wholesale data harvesting by turning a blind eye to apps that straight up embed spyware SDKs.
This isn’t some hypothetical or abstract scenario, it’s a real life multi billion dollar a year industry that Apple allows on their devices.
You can argue that this is not the same thing as the native ad platform that they run and I’d agree but it’s also a distinction without a meaningful difference.
- Jim once again you are jumping in to defend Apple no matter what the topic is. It’s a really strange behaviour yet again.
Since you seemed to be in such a rush to offer a defence it seems you misread what the chart was… like every other time this topic comes up over the past few years.
That chart is *the official web platform standards* and shows which tests ONLY FAIL IN A SINGLE BROWSER
So this idea of “oh no it’s just evil Google doing their own thing doesn’t actually apply here because that’s literally already accounted for by the fact that it’s how many of the official web standards only fail in one browser.
I don’t know why you keep glossing over this no matter how many times it has been politely pointed out to you.
- Unfortunately this is more misdirection from Apple.
When they were asking for community input as to what developers wanted to be a part of interop 2025 that then had to go for a further non-public round with the browser makers.
Apple then proceeded to veto all of the most popular suggestions and insist that then running grep over their codebase in order to fix a comparability bug [1] with chrome and Firefox version 1 was somehow a legitimate contribution precisely so they could game the interop stats that you’re citing here.
The moment you look at the real statistics (https://wpt.fyi/results/?label=master&label=experimental&ali...) where Apple can’t game the system the story becomes much clearer and the criticism much more justified.
[1] https://web.dev/blog/interop-2025 (scroll down to the text decoration topic)
- I don’t see how this really changes the underlying problem of the device pays on you and then they sell that information to the highest bidder? I’m not reaching for a financial report to fix that.
- That’s not how the law is structured. You CAN do that no problem but it’s then WHAT you do WITH that which is where the law comes into play. If it’s just for security purposes then there’s no problem I believe.
- I appreciate the offer, I actually have somewhere else to be in a moment unfortunately so I’d have to take you up on that offer another time.
- I’m not here to try and make you feel bad but if this place doesn’t work for you anymore I hope you’re able to do something about that.
I’m going to wrap this up here. You unfortunately responded in exactly the way I’d expected to just hand wave away everything, find reasons to not respond to any of the points and then seemed to misrepresent what I was even asking for.
I don’t know what I’m supposed to do with that.
Life is hard enough already and I’m not looking to make it worse for you. I hope you have a nice holiday season and good luck out there.
- I don’t think that actually engages with literally any of the points I’ve made but sure, I wasn’t expecting anything else. Like I said earlier it seems from where you’re sitting everything is going great and there’s nothing to answer for.
I was hoping however you could at least shine some light on the active page question… what percentage of users actually visit in on any given day? We can play semantic games about secret vs obscure but it’s not a debate about semantics.
- I had to rely inline above because of some questionable circumstances but not here to debate that part at all.
But on the topic of this active page I do find it rather poetic that in this exact thread we have people asking what is this page they’ve never heard of.
When I call it secret, I don’t mean it’s necessarily a coverup or something I mean that nobody seems to know that it exists or that the front page doesn’t actually represent what people vote for.
- The level of discrepancy between the rules as they are written and how things work in reality is miles apart. Every day.
Edit: since I can’t reply because my account was throttled for “posting too past” with a whopping 5 comments in the last 24 hours. Allow me to paste it here…
It would probably help if I were to bring a bit more specificity to my accusations here so we aren’t just talking about an abstract concept.
I’m making the claim:
1. The active page (what people are actually engaging with) and the front page (mods choice) regularly are regularly out of sync not just in general but in very specific and consistent ways.
2. There is a small group of people who intentionally use the flagging functionality in ways that have absolutely zero to do with the rules as they are written. People are incredibly open about this on a regular basis.
3. We are left with a de facto situation where that same small group are able to effectively censor what the rest of the community is allowed to talk about.
4. The moderation team seems to operate on the idea that everyone is just acting in good faith despite evidence to the contrary.
5. When the discrepancies between the rules as they are written and how things work in reality occur they are very rarely corrected by the moderation team and I don’t know what other conclusion to draw other than you seem to think that things are going great as they are and there’s no need to change anything.
6. You say the active page isn’t a secret but people are always saying they had no idea it existed. Surely you have some actual hard analytics numbers to show what percentage of logged in users visit the active page? I presume it’s in the single digits percentage wise but I’m open to being told otherwise.
- Have you actually ever browsed the secret “active” page where you can see what people are actually voting for without the mods putting their thumbs on the scale? It’s constantly filled with dead posts because someone said something that was vaguely unflattering towards Israel, venture capital, capitalism in general, the United States or Apple. Literally happens dozens of times every single day.
- Do you not own a pair of headphones?
- You have to be a special kind of ignorant to try and say it’s a higher quality of life with a straight face. On essentially zero of any of the metrics which are specifically designed to measure exactly this does the US come out on top. Thats just a jingoistic nonsense you heard somewhere and decided to repeat it like it was a fact.
- A number of European countries have PUBLICLY come out to say they are suspending cooperation on a number of different fronts. You can only imagine what it’s like in private.