- brendang_sdI wasn't addressing the ruling by the judge, only the poster commenting on a state law, suggesting it's applicability here.
- Except a state law does and cannot force federal law enforcement to do anything, no matter how good of an idea body cameras may be.
- I always love a story of anger based (reverse)engineering.
- > For a criminal barricaded in a building, what wrong with surrounding the building and waiting them out? They’re gonna need food, water, sleep eventually.
Often the claim is that would give time to alter or destroy evidence.
- If the tape recorder were to automatically start recording whenever a meeting started and silently add itself to physical rooms unexpectedly... you might have a point.
The tape recorder manufacturer also doesn’t claim the right to permanently own anything it’s users record, with or without permission.
- You knew what to look for, and were presumably logged into a device which showed you participants... now imagine if you were on the go, or not very technical so joined from a phone using a phone # and a meeting code... you'd never see it or be aware. I contend Otter knows exactly what they are doing and hopefully this lawsuit gets them to get a bit more transparent and law abiding.
- That’s part of it too, the bigger issue is the knowledge and consent of other participants.
I know someone who is involved in a lawsuit regarding a child, and one of the lawyers used this service to record and transcribe a very confidential meeting. Their first awareness of the illegal wiretapping by this company was when a summary email showed up at the end of the meeting. Needless to say, they weren’t happy, not just about the surreptitious recording, but also the discovery that the contents of that confidential coal will live forever in Otter’s training set. When the company was asked about this, they dismissed any kind of responsibility of their own, and noted it the responsibility of their subscribers to use the product appropriately.
- That’s the problem though, getting the email with a copy of the recording may be the unwitting participants first indication that the call was recorded without their knowledge or consent.
Otters defense is that it’s up to their users to inform other participants and get their consent where necessary, the claim of the lawsuit is that Otter is deliberately making a product which does not make it obvious that the call is being recorded, and by default does not send a pre-meeting notice that it will be joining and recording.
- If you go asking ADP for this kind of information, they will refuse citing the privacy of the workers. We tried it at a previous company I worked at.
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