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Absolutely objective values, rights, morals, principles, goals, means, and sustenance.

Source: the Our Father prayer


Presumably there are a lot of atheists who do believe all three of these things:

1. God does not exist.

2. Objective ethics do exist.

3. Objective ethics do not come directly from the mandate of a friend, a companion, or another human.

Even if so, that only answers the "morals" part of what I listed.

Where for example do they derive absolutely objective goals from?

> goals, means, and sustenance

Surely not sustenance in the sense of food so I presume it's what we usually call meaning? People might get it from whatever fulfills them. For many it's giving back to the community in some way. It's not something I was told, more something that feels right and would scale well if everyone did it.

What are absolutely objective goals here? Are we talking about what do I want to be true at the end of my life? Staying healthy, looking back when you're old and not regretting a lot, being part of and respected by your community, those things. What would be a goal that God would suggest one works toward in this context. Can you relate that to what you have in mind?

I was lumping all of those into "ethics," which refers to all normative questions (or questions about "ought"s, if you like).
Thank you!

Not having read the bible the words sounds so specific and strong.

> Do not trust in a friend; Do not put your confidence in a companion; ... For son dishonors father, Daughter rises against her mother, ... A man’s enemies are the men of his own household.

I guess you have to read the whole thing to imagine the context in which this won't, even accidentally, be interpreted literally. I'm not judging or anything, genuinely curious, obviously these are historical texts from a certain time in history. That's why I'm so curious about the value people see in reading them over and over again in the current times.

You can almost consider the Bible like a puzzle or riddle, that you have to solve using the entirety of it, as well as historical context, extrabiblical writings, personal life experience, and a humble and pure intent.

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