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creshal parent
"Industry hearsay" in this case was probably Sony telling game devs how awesome the PS5's custom SSD was gonna be, and nobody bothered to check their claims.
mary-ext
the industry hearsay is about concern of HDD load times tho
creshal OP
HDD load times compared to......?
mary-ext
are we not reading the same post and comments?

the "industry hearsay" from two replies above mine is about deliberate data duplication to account for the spinning platters in HDD (which isn't entirely correct, as the team on Helldivers 2 have realized)

maccard
What are you talking about?

This has nothing to do with consoles, and only affects PC builds of the game

creshal OP
HD2 started as playstation exclusive, and was retargeted mid-development for simultaneous release.

So the PS5's SSD architecture was what developers were familiar with when they tried to figure out what changes would be needed to make the game work on PC.

Dylan16807
If what they were familiar with was a good SSD, then they didn't need to do anything. I don't see how anything Sony said about their SSD would have affected things.

Maybe you're saying the hearsay was Sony exaggerating how bad hard drives are? But they didn't really do that, and the devs would already have experience with hard drives.

wtallis
What Sony said about their SSD was that it enabled game developers to not duplicate assets like they did for rotating storage. One specific example I recall in Sony's presentation was the assets for a mailbox used in a Spider Man game, with hundreds of copies of that mailbox duplicated on disk because the game divided Manhattan into chunks and tried to have all the assets for each chunk stored more or less contiguously.

If the Helldivers devs were influenced by what Sony said, they must have misinterpreted it and taken away an extremely exaggerated impression of how much on-disk duplication was being used for pre-SSD game development. But Sony did actually say quite a bit of directly relevant stuff on this particular matter when introducing the PS5.

Dylan16807
Weird, since that's a benefit of any kind of SSD at all. The stuff their fancy implementation made possible was per-frame loading, not just convenient asset streaming.

But uh if the devs didn't realize that, I blame them. It's their job to know basics like that.

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maccard
I don't really understand your point. You're making a very definitive statement about how the PS5's SSD architecture is responsible for this issue - when the isssue is on a totally different platform, where they have _already_ attempted (poorly, granted) to handle the different architectures.
creshal OP
No. Please try reading more carefully.

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