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Hi there, Katie from Hetzner here. We are extra careful about new accounts because we find that it helps us to prevent abuse, and in situations where a new account is somewhere in the grey zone of possibly real or fake, we may ask for additional information, or a PayPal payment, like in this situation. If you choose PayPal, the €20 will go on your account in the form of credit and will automatically be used towards your future invoices. If you decide to cancel your account, and there is credit left on your account, we will refund you for that amount. For the passport (or other documents) -- We have very strict data protection laws here in Germany and the EU. We only use this data to confirm your identity, and after that, it is automatically deleted from our systems after a short time. We have a data protection team who customers can contact if they have any questions at data-protection@hetzner.com. --Katie

So, two or three things.

1. You replied here, and stated and reasonably and rationally Hetzner's case. That's excellent.

2. I emailed Hetz two days ago, explained the situation (passport a no-no, friend has PP, but I'm signed up with bank transfer so could I just use that).

Hetz replied saying account has now been enabled and I'm good to go.

Also excellent.

3. The observations in this reply about passport - if you've been hacked and not noticed yet, all passports passing through your hands are being exfiltrated (assuming attackers cares about them, of course). You'd only realize how long its being going on for once the breach is detected. I'm not worried about what you are going to use it for, I trust you - the concern is that security is basically impossible and everyone gets breached sooner or later. There's nothing you or any organization can say or do to ameliorate this concern. The basic ground working assumption is : everyone is hacked, if not already, then sooner or later, and it won't be noticed for some time. Given that, how do we behave? what do we do? how do we act? obviously, identity via passports is off the menu.

Finally, there's no info during sign about about passport document being held only for a short time; seems potentially useful to have that.

You're sensitive to your passport information being stolen. You don't trust their security. That's all perfectly OK.

Fortunately they offer other option(s), which it seems you made use of. So you're all good.

A different user may have different priorities, and may choose a different option.

Which is fine. Options are good. There's no requirement that you have to like the ones you don't use.

1. Thanks for the feedback! That's a nice pick-me-up. :D 2. Glad to hear that worked out. 3. I understand that many people have reservations about sharing personal documents, and for very valid reasons. We understand that there is a lot of trust involved with this, and we take that responsibility very seriously. If people want more specific information, I genuinely recommend that they write to our data protection team. --Katie
> We only use this data to confirm your identity, and after that, it is automatically deleted from our systems after a short time.

Isn't that what every company says before a data breach proves otherwise? I've been hearing a lot about Hetzner, thought about trying it out, but if the service is requiring me to submit a passport or even any form of ID, then absolutely not. Your service is dead to me.

It's not requiring you to submit a passport. That is just one of the options.

Feel free to use a different option.

There are two options;

1. Paypal 2. Passport

I do not have Paypal, and would not do passport.

That's fine - Hetzner's business belongs to them. I did not criticize that no options could be viable; only that passport was an option that should not be in use.

Hey, Katie. Just FYI, last week I paid $250 to your competitor after being unable to pass your identity verification. BTW, your web site didn’t even offer me an option to verify ID with a Paypal payment.
Hi there, We are working hard to improve our KYC (know-your-customer) and on-boarding process. I am sorry you had a negative experience with us. --Katie

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