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pferde parent
Cool, now do loud motorbikes in cities. Those things, several times louder than cars, should be illegal anywhere but on isolated highways.
sschueller
The laws exist, the issue is enforcement. Usually the police has to first find suspicion, then take your car to a garage and determine with accuracy that it is too loud. Automatic enforcement is coming soon.

Zürich is testing "Lärmeblitzer"[1] which they want to put in certain places where people produce excessive noise with their vehicles. It will take time however as laws need to be changed to allow such devices to issue fines and they need to make sure the false positive rate is low enough.

[1] https://www.20min.ch/story/pilotversuch-wegen-autoposern-sta...

intsunny
100000% Agree.

Here in Germany, I'm convinced the Police simply don't care about motorcycles with modified mufflers. The sound is deafening. In the last decade the noise has gotten worse and worse.

Once one of those small penis motorcycle owners saw that I was covering my three year old child's ears as he passed by, and only then did he put his bike into neutral and walked it by us.

Etheryte
As a biker, I hate these types of riders with a passion. All street legal bikes come out of the factory with reasonable sound levels, they have to go out of their way to specifically make it uncomfortable for everyone else. Pretty much every one of them is exactly the type of person you'd expect as well, insecure with an intelligence level comparable to a wooden spoon. Personally I tell nearly no one that I ride bikes, because the first assumption is always that you're one of those loud assholes.
holowoodman
Problem with motorcycles in Germany is, they are usually too fast for the police to catch with their car, and the helmet prevents usable photos of the driver. But unfortunately the laws require that the driver committing the speed/noise/redlight offense is identified and fined, fining the owner by license plate doesn't work (except if the bike was modified).
herbst
Is that why some YouTubers started to make ads for a "sue your motorcycle speeding tickets invalid" company as if this is really working, because it is?

Germany has such a specific way of making laws with holes.

1718627440
I'm not so sure that's actually true, because when you get a speeding ticket, the owner absolutely is fined. He has a right to identify the driver or just take it on himself.
holowoodman
The owner also has the right to refuse saying anything, in which case it is on the police to prove who the driver was. For cars, that's usually easy, because they just compare the ticket photo to your drivers license photo or passport photo on file. For motorcycles, the ticket photo is usually useless, so if the owner refuses to identify himself or someone else, and the police cannot prove anything, the motorcycle owner goes unticketed.
herbst
If you Google "geblitzt anzweifeln" or something you find several companies doing exactly that. Most claim something like 50% of speeding tickets are wrong. One site claims they make 12% of their cases invalid.

I really have no idea about all that. Just some absurdity I recently noticed.

4gotunameagain
Not every inconsiderate person is compensating for something. Some people just have different opinions from you about how to behave in public.

And no, I don't have a loud motorcycle.

rsynnott
Well, no, but, you know, common things are common.

These, along with various other obnoxiously loud and/or big vehicles, are _strongly_ coded 'insecure man'. Not necessarily insecure about that in particular, of course, but insecure about something.

masklinn
Switzerland has noise ordnances, and like other traffic related offenses they are aggressively enforced.

Aftermarket mods, revving your engine, or late shifting can net you a cool 5 figures fine.

unglaublich
Sadly, it's barely enforced.
herbst
Depends on where you are. Thun and Bern started to enforce it much more just recently (with great success), afaik Zurich has their own task force as well.

Our street control systems are just getting started. Most people seem to have no idea whats to come.

izacus
I live near Zurich and sadly the noise from luxury sports cars and motorcycles can be unbearably loud (even through noise isolated Windows and away from the street). I don't think anyone really enforces it.
unglaublich
Yeah, looking forward to it. People should have the freedom to move around wherever they want, but not to rob others from their quiet time and sleep in doing so.
jacquesm
Here in NL some localities have local ordinances regarding noise pollution and they do actually enforce them.
fsargent
Already done. Switzerland is a civilised country.

https://lenews.ch/2025/01/17/switzerlands-strict-new-road-no...

Etheryte
Making something illegal and actually enforcing it are two very different things though. Most countries in the world have a cap on noise levels your vehicle can make, most don't do much to enforce it outside of yearly checkups.
herbst
In most parts of Switzerland there is no yearly checkup, but every 2 years or whenever you get the invite (waited 3 years once).

However police is actively monitoring noise levels in some places, picking out the cars and remove them from the streets. Just last weekend my closest city checked 15 and removed about half of these cars in one evening.

jacquesm
Fantastic.

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