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> At some point, the salaries are indeed "high enough" but the skills still just aren't available to hire.

But the incentive to develop the skills should sort this out, no?


Sure. But the GP is arguing that "there's no such thing as a labor shortage". I'm trying to determine what their definition of "labor shortage" is. Perhaps the GP believes that the term itself is meaningless, or perhaps they believe that no current real-world situation fits their definition.

So I created a hypothetical situation to illustrate what, to me, is a clear example of a temporary labor shortage. As you say, "the incentive to develop the skills should sort this out" ... and I'd say that's true, but until it gets sorted out, the situation can reasonably be described as a "labor shortage".

> As you say, "the incentive to develop the skills should sort this out" ... and I'd say that's true, but until it gets sorted out, the situation can reasonably be described as a "labor shortage".

That's fair. I wasn't thinking about the types of skills that take years to develop. I was thinking more along the lines of re-training in the sense that I can take somebody that's got a solid base of tangentially related skills and get them up to speed quickly.

In the long term, yes definitely, and we saw that work first-hand in software development as bootcamps and comp-sci grads started cranking people out. However, the ramp-up time means that during those 5 years that it takes for more people to get qualified, this corrective affect won't help.

Also in the real world the wages are sticky enough that they take time to adjust, and then it takes time for people to realize that X field is becoming well paid and then start pursuing it, so realistically the 5 year period is more like 7 to 10. Plus as long as the industry is growing/expanding, demand can continue to outstrip supply due to that stickiness.

Even rapid moving stuff like AI has bee illustrative of this. The AI leaders are all primarily poaching, and wages are astronomical. This is undoubtedly fueling a massive number of people to study/specialize in AI, but it takes years (maybe even a decade) to complete that path (depending on your starting point).

> In the long term, yes definitely

So, in the automotive industry they've been paying too little to attract people. Meaning they now have a shortage. That's still on them.

Sounds to me like they made some really nice profits for a couple of years and are now feeling the pain of that.

Funny that you mention AI where people are saying there's no need for Juniors anymore. Exactly the same, you'll make some money now and will then likely have to pay for that later.

Yeah, you're not wrong. But collectively saying "the automotive industry" is a little too simplistic, since in theory they are competing and can't be colluding, so "the automotive industry" paying too little shouldn't be possible. In practice though, we all know it isn't that simple, so your point has merit.
In a perfectly efficient market, yes, but the market is notably not perfectly efficient. People make decisions about which career(s) to pursue or not pursue based on a huge variety of factors that stretch far beyond money.

There is absolutely no scenario in which you could convince me to train as e.g. an underwater welder, no matter how much cash you’re offering.

Yes, but the point is this takes time and stability guarantees. A true labor shortage can actually persist for many years.

Because people have to a) take the years to learn/develop those skills, and will only do so if b) they know those jobs are still going to be around for a while after that.

Sure, in an economy with an inexhaustible supply of new workers seeking new skills and employment. Do we think that accurately describes the United States in late 2025?

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