Regardless, I think there's another thing that helped Bluesky: VC capital. In particular, to hire people to work on UX. It's a bit of a pet-peeve of mine, but I find it strange that designer don't contribute more to projects like Mastodon, which definitely need it. Even from the selfish angle of building a portfolio, helping solve Mastodon's UX challenges is much more impressive and realistic, than doing the millionth redesign of Gmail that will never get implemented.
PDS's to hold users data, relays/firehoses to aggregate & forward traffic, AppViews to create composite views of likes, replies, etc, resolvers to lookup DIDs, clients to access the network. Each of these has independent implementations. BlueSky is already decentralized & already has viable credible exit. It's not decentralized, and indeed the scalability & accessibility of having firehose consumers has the greatest scale out decentralization characteristics we've seen anywhere short of BitTorrent.
I try very hard to find the positive & to upvote things I don't fully agree with, if well argued. I wish the social network of HN could do more against adversarial zero-sim thinking, didn't have people who insist on draining.
As a general rule I’d say polished user friendly software takes 10X the effort at a minimum vs software only nerds can use. That’s probably an underestimation. For consumer software it’s probably 100X. It’s because computers are incredibly confusing and hard to use and it takes immense effort to overcome that.
(If you don’t agree that computers are confusing and hard to use, you are part of a tiny highly educated minority.)
I’ve said this around here like a hundred times because it feels like I am the only one who gets it.
The tech to create an excellent decentralized network with an excellent experience and without the weaknesses of Mastodon exists. It doesn’t get used because nobody pays for it. Centralization gives you an economic model from either directly charging for access or selling data or ads, and none of that works in a decentralized world.
Right, but that's the entire point: Mastodon's UX problems are caused by its decentralization and mostly cannot be separated from it. Arguably all the problems of decentralization that make users disprefer it are UX problems-- that doesn't mean they are easy to solve.
That's exactly what Mastodon is. The whole reason mastodon exists is because a whole lot of people wanted exactly this experience.
Mastodon won't win because they aren't playing. Which again, is the whole point. It's extremely deliberate and intentional. People use mastodon because the "game" is abhorrent and objectively extremely bad for people individually and society as a whole.
So mastodon eschews the gamification and like farming and fake notifications. One of the most common jokes throughout the whole network is "wow, this post blew up and is doing Real Numbers" and the post has like ten boosts and twenty likes. It's extremely rare to see more than a couple hundred notes on any one post.
It's on purpose. Mastodon users like and actively want it to be this way.
Yes it is. It literally is. If we want to do that we can just do that. The internet is not a zero-sum game. We don't have to play to "win."
>I don't think another decen-HN is likely to take off or break into other self organizing segments even though this is easy to attempt with some Mastodon servers.
The only reason HN is popular is its connections to Silicon Valley and startup culture. It didn't really carve out a niche so much as succesfully create and market an image. Without that it isn't anything remarkable, and there are already tons of technically-focused communities on the fediverse.
IMO it's not necessarily bad though. It prevents the network from becoming centered around content and keeps it social. You discover new accounts as they get reposted by people you are already connected to
Mastodon hasn't lost to these other services because they aren't competing. Nobody on mastodon actually wants to replace Twitter. Mastodon exists explicitly as a rejection of mainstream social media. Calling this "losing" is like saying that a bunch of kids playing basketball in the street are "losing" to pro hockey teams. Not the same game, not the same scale, the only similarity is that they're both playing a sport.
Mastodon doesn't want to compete. That's totally counter to the entire philosophy. Mastodon isn't even remotely playing the same game as twitter and Facebook. It just so happens that mastodon has a text box with limited characters. That's it, that's the only similarity.
Of course a chess club of 10 year olds in Japan isn't going to "win" and displace the entire American baseball league. You'd be laughed down for even suggesting that. And yet, people think that mastodon is "losing".
Mastodon is exactly where it wants to be. The small scale and diffusion are features, not bugs.
Besides that, it's functionally impossible for "mastodon" to go mainstream. To suggest that is a fundamental misunderstanding of what mastodon is, how it works, and how the people involved run it. At absolute most, you could get a few big servers to go 'mainstream'.
When a server gets too big or too popular, the network treats it as damage and routes around. A lot of admins do this purely on principle: huge servers are antithetical to the philosophy and actively bad for the network. The rest block them because the vast majority of attacks and spam originate from such servers.
If mastodon went mainstream, the network would fracture (again) and the majority of nodes would re-form the network in the obscurity they enjoy and value.
This is all extremely intentional and deliberate. Mastodon is an explicit rejection of all the things you think it's "losing" at. Mastodon doesn't want to "win", they largely want to be left alone to continue enjoying a small internet with limited connections.
Mastodon has won its own game. It's firmly established itself in a niche, and is not going to move from that niche to chase fads, engagement, metrics, profit. Mastodon wants to be exactly what it is because mainstream social media is a very bad thing
[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/Mastodon/comments/yy71wh/is_there_a...
[1] https://github.com/nathanlesage/academics-on-mastodon
Although, of course, you can follow any account you like from whatever instance you choose to use (assuming that instance doesn't block it.) A lot of people you may be interested in are on universeodon.com, although typically you'll discover things on Mastodon by searching hashtags, not people.
But... it's all on Discord, not IRC or jabber or anything.
bittorrent has webseeds. I dump large files and archives on my sever, give people the magnet or link it from an article, they download it fromthere. If for any reason I no longer want to host the file I just remove it. Usually I just want the space back, in theory there could be bandwidth issues or an excess of interested participants. You can put fairly interesting websites in torrents too! That no uninvited participant can find them is a feature not a bug.
Email does html too! PDF is also great for publishing. You can send people videos and even executables if you are close enough.
Mastodon captures perfectly what twitter was at the beginning. Just people talking to each other and having fun. Not performative like fishing or whatever. No ads, algorithms, endless feeds, AI slop, or spying and tracking.
It turns out that a lot of people think mainstream social media is objectively abhorrent and want to connect with other humans in a more natural and user-driven way.
Frankly, "mainstream" is a dirty, disgusting concept here. A very large fraction of users would put a significant amout of effort to prevent that from happening. If one server did become "mainstream", as mastodon dot social did, the network treats it as a damage and routes around. Many servers just cut them off because the vast majority of attacks and spam originate from the big public servers.
Mastodon won't go mainstream because they don't want to and the system fundamentally cannot operate that way. A few individual servers may go mainstream, but we'd eventually consider it a hard fork. The network would fracture (as it has many times) and the network of small servers will go back to the obscurity we enjoy and cherish.
Case in point: Facebook tried to force their way into the fediverse network through threads or whatever it was called. There was a pretty hard split in the network as nodes that value privacy and safety cut themselves off from a literal hostile invader. Many servers went recursively through the network to cut off any servers who hadn't blocked Facebook. I haven't heard anything about Facebook trying activitypub again, so I guess the quarantine was effective.
A big problem is that this is happening with other servers as well. I've seen nodes that block all other nodes that run Pleroma because it's "for Nazis". And some of them also block nodes that don't share most of the blocklist.
This claim is so vague it's meaningless. I could just as well argue that torrents are the purest example of decentralisation, and work amazing.
Even though Bluesky did break through to the mainstream with ATProto, it's unclear how ATProto is either a functional or competitive benefit, or if its users even know about it.