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soganess parent
NO we shouldn't.

You are defending playground rules "why are you making me punch you" with people's lives.

Gabriel54
Detaining and deporting individuals who are in a foreign (to them) country without documentation is not "punching them".
text0404
Punching them actually is "punching them." And these "agents" are basically roving patrols which target and violently detain people based on skin color. These aren't normal enforcement operations, they're intended to be cruel and violent and deprive everyone of their rights.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5440311/ice-raids-maske...

soganess OP
"Why are you making me punch you" is a stand-in for the kind of broken logic a child uses on a playground. It isn't about actually punching people (although many have been assualted by ICE). Instead, it is about deploying maliciously faulty logic in defense of bad action.

Think of it as a cousin to the "he's no angel" style defense of bad acts.

Gabriel54
Governments have a right to detain and deport individuals in the country without documentation. The fact that ICE resorts to the tactics we are describing is unfortunate but necessary because many cities and states refuse to cooperate with federal authorities regarding immigration. These operations of ICE, generally speaking, are legal. (I say "generally speaking" because I cannot speak for every action of every ICE agent in the USA). You may find it distasteful or disagreeable, but it is within the purview of the federal government to enforce federal immigration laws.
soganess OP
Governments don't have rights. They didn't spring fully formed from the wombs of other governments without a say in the matter.

They have privileges. Provisional privileges derived from the people (or at least that is what some very drunk men in wigs seemed to imply). I don't like it when my government uses dressed-up faux authority (DHS just issues itself administrative "warrants") as the basis for assaulting people. Seems pretty cut-and-dry wrong. And as responses go, really lopsided.

So here I am... making a fuss about it.

btreecat
> Governments have a right to detain and deport individuals in the country without documentation. The fact that ICE resorts to the tactics we are describing is unfortunate but necessary because many cities and states refuse to cooperate with federal authorities regarding immigration. These operations of ICE, generally speaking, are legal. (I say "generally speaking" because I cannot speak for every action of every ICE agent in the USA). You may find it distasteful or disagreeable, but it is within the purview of the federal government to enforce federal immigration laws.

Legal is a moving target. Legal was used to justify interment camps.

Be careful justifying what should and could be done based on "it's technically legal"

curionymous
I mean detaining jews were also "legal" at one point in time. So, let's just base our morals on what's legal and defend people who abuse the laws to do more heinous stuff, so we can hide behind "Generally I'm against it, but it's legal, so nothing wrong is going on here".

That'll surely make things work out great. right?

ThrowMeAway1618
>That'll surely make things work out great. right?

Yep. I'm not sure why we're even bothering with deportations. Just shoot 'em in the head and grind them up for fertilizer and pig/chicken feed.

And if a few hundred thousand citizens get caught up in that, it's no big deal. They wouldn't have been involved if they didn't look like illegals, right?

Besides, folks like me (with the map of Ireland all over my face) won't get caught up in that. So why should I care?

Yeah, why bother deporting them. Shooting them is quicker and cheaper. We could save even more money by converting warehouses to gas folks and then we can cremate them and/or use them as agricultural inputs.

Easy peasy. I mean, it's not like they're human or anything. My god! They're criminals, every last one of them! Rapists, killers, gang bangers. If they weren't subhuman, we wouldn't need to treat them like this.

But they're not like us decent, hard working people. They're evil, twisted murderers, just like the pedophile demonrats who murdered all the ICE folks during the Obama and Biden administrations.

Both Biden and Obama just sent the Marines in to ICE offices and killed them all dead!

So it's perfectly fine to do that to all the brown^W illegal people too, right? I certainly won't have to worry about it, nor will the other white^W real Americans.

USA! USA! USA!

dttze
They aren’t legal. They disregard the rule of law, ignore judge’s orders, and display an immense amount of cruelty in the process.

They only get to do this crap if they follow the rule of law, which they aren’t.

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