Preferences

accidentallfact parent
It isn't only about the degree of wrongness, but its type:

1. Vacuous, which provide no useful insight beyond what is obviously deducible. Such as "nearsightedness is caused by the wrong shape of the eye".

2. Vanity, which provide useless elaboration of something that is very well understood in a much simpler form, with no realistic hope of any future insight. Such as most of linguistics.

3. Pointless. Explain something that is difficult to get to know, because it matters so little. While technically correct, the actual facts matter so little that they result in no realistic improvement of any kind, and no decisions are changed as the result of the new knowledge. Such as the age of Earth.

4. Theoretically wrong, those that the article is talking about. Even though theoretically wrong, the are so nearly equivalent to the actual truth, that the difference doesn't matter in practice.

5. Practically wrong. Those that "sound good" so that people stick to them, in spite of massive evidence to the contrary. Such as that obesity is caused by overeating, in spite of the near universal failure in practice, in the last instance of Ozempic making people look like walking corpses, rather than anything like a healthy body. This is the kind of errors meant by those who write to people like Asimov.


csours
I firmly believe, more and more each day, that the human mind does not seek truth or correctness, it primarily seeks satisfaction.

The context for satisfaction is different for every individual human. Some parts of the context are shared (to various degrees). These 'shared contexts' we might call rationality, or science, or society, or religion.

Another part of the problem is that satisfaction is recursive.

We may evaluate something based on:

    1. Correctness
    2. Completeness
    3. Satisfaction
This is obviously self-referential because if something is incorrect or incomplete, then it is also unsatisfying.

For instance, if you are only aware of Electromagnetism, then Maxwell's equations are correct, complete, and satisfying. And then some jerk discovers neutrons.

Anyway, this whole comment may fit into your first three points; or it may help someone understand a failure to communicate.

procaryote
Obesity is caused by overeating though, at the very least in the same sense that nearsightedness is caused by the wrong shape of the eye.
b_e_n_t_o_n
Energy intake > energy expenditure, but both intake and expenditure can vary for a variety of reasons uncorrelated with eating habits.

Sorry for being pedantic but I think that's what the above commentator meant.

procaryote
> Energy intake > energy expenditure

Isn't that technically overeating though?

b_e_n_t_o_n
If someone ate the same three meals for 20 years and maintained a consistent weight, and then due to some physiological change started to put on weight eating the same amount, I'd find it reasonable but perhaps incorrect to attribute their weight gain to overeating. But yeah, technically at the end of the day, they could eat less :)
procaryote
Yeah, it's not very useful in practice of course. Telling someone "eat less" has very unimpressive real world impact
Hunpeter
You have made an interesting point but I think your arguments would have more force if you exercised some restraint in categorically stating your opinions about what is wrong and in what way as facts, basically.

Anyway, while I agree on these other types of "wrong" being important, I don't know about calling 1-3. wrong, per se. Also, I'm curious what part of linguistics you consider to belong under the "vanity" label, and why it would be apt to call "pointless" facts (like the age of the Earth) wrong.

the_af
> 3. Pointless. Explain something that is difficult to get to know, because it matters so little. While technically correct, the actual facts matter so little that they result in no realistic improvement of any kind, and no decisions are changed as the result of the new knowledge. Such as the age of Earth.

It's bizarre to even consider that investigating the age of the Earth is "pointless". Finding out the age of our planet and other celestial bodies matters a lot in astronomy! Understanding the universe is the opposite of pointless, it's fascinating.

Or did you mean something else?

raincole
> obviously deducible. Such as "nearsightedness is caused by the wrong shape of the eye"

Not obvious at all. According to Wikipedia it was discovered in 17th century. About only half century earlier than the discovery of bacteria.

IAmBroom
While far-sightedness can be caused by shape, OR loss of elasticity in the lens as one ages.

This item has no comments currently.