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DiabloD3 parent
Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.

We continue to have our AMD Radeon RX 7700S Graphics Module as an option on the new generation.
snvzz
i.e. it hasn't been updated.

NVIDIA's 5070 is current gen, Radeon RX 7700S is RDNA3, whereas much improved RDNA4 exists.

There's also mention of gsync support on the screen. What about FreeSync with AMD?

xnzakg
NVIDIA's stance on Linux aside, from a practical point of view the one thing I've had the most issues with in practice while using them together was the abomination that is Optimus. Considering they mention a mux for outputting directly to the display, it sounds like this might be a bit less of a pain to get working since it sounds like you should be able to just have one GPU active at a time (instead of both of them having to work together).
kurtoid
Choice is good, IMO. I've had good experience w/ Nvidia cards with the new open drivers on wayland
bigstrat2003
I'm a Linux desktop user and have had nothing but success with my Nvidia cards. Don't speak for everyone.
naruhodo
I too, have always had success using NVIDIA cards with my Fedora Linux. I suspect that the people who have problems are doing something differently, like running the proprietary installer instead of using packages (RPM Fusion's akmod-nvidia packages in the case of Fedora).
asveikau
I run FreeBSD on a machine with an NVIDIA card and it works pretty well, even if the driver is a little sketchy. If it works on FreeBSD of all things I'm going to guess it works well on Linux.

I run Xorg, though. I guess Wayland is a sticking point.

umanwizard
It does, GP is just exaggerating. Historically people find Nvidia annoying because the drivers are closed-source, it didn't work well with Wayland for years, etc., but it's just not true to say it doesn't work.
umbra07
You feel offended?
umanwizard
Virtually all AI training is done on Linux with Nvidia hardware. In the desktop space, I've run Linux with Nvidia for many, many years. It's utter nonsense to claim that Nvidia isn't useful on Linux.
tracker1
This is a fair take, part of why I was disappointed the 5070 module only has 8gb instead of 16gb.
gjsman-1000
Framework purchasers != Linux users
tracker1
TBF, almost everyone I know who is considering Framework intends to run Linux on it. It's far less of a crapshoot compared to other vendors/models.
DiabloD3 OP
I don't know a single person that bought a Framework and put Windows on it as the primary OS.

I wish Framework would actually find out what their customers are using, maybe with a survey, because I'd be highly surprised if it was less than 2/3rds Linux (or other FOSS).

AndroidKitKat
I keep Windows on my Framework (11th gen Intel) because using Linux on it makes it suffer from inability to sleep and terrible battery life. I've tried all the tricks to make Linux work and I've only eeked out an extra hour of use, if that.
adgjlsfhk1
no it's not. Nvidia works on linux too. Not all linux gamers want to use AMD.
DiabloD3 OP
Nvidia "working" on Linux requires binary drivers that often have severe issues, especially if your mainline stable kernel is too new.

The new open source drivers that replace Novaeu aren't ready yet, and the closed source drivers had relentless drama over, first, refusal to support Wayland (after the head of Xorg, Keith Packard, officially announced the end of X development, and, second, how all future development will be for Wayland), and then trying to hijack the process with their unwanted EGLstreams API until finally relenting and supporting GBM.

Night_Thastus
Like it or not, Nvidia is the dominant player in the GPU space. They have objectively the most powerful GPUs and the best support for development (CUDA).

It would be cutting out a massive chunk of Framework's potential customers to not even offer Nvidia GPUs.

I don't like Nvidia at all, they're a scummy company. But just offering their products as an option is not "openly hostile and offensive" to Linux users. That's a bizarre take.

DiabloD3 OP
Not really.

Until modern times, Intel was the largest GPU manufacture, unless you include phones, then it was Qualcomm.

Now it's AMD, between computers, consoles, and the datacenter.

DGPUs for the desktop aren't really all that relevant for either AMD and NV's bottom lines, they're not major sellers. Switch sales also aren't enough to compete with combined Xbox/Playstation sales.

A lot of claims of NV's superiority is just marketing smoke and mirrors.

Night_Thastus
Calling Intel the largest GPU manufacturer is a bit of a joke.

Yes, technically they make many by volume. But they are very limited integrated GPUs. Fine for basic encoding/decoding operations, not really practical outside of browsing and e-mail checking.

AMD has been doing fantastic in the mobile and console space, I admit that. Their products are decently energy efficient and powerful for what they are. But they're struggling to keep up with the leading edge and their market share is tanking because of it.

Nvidia has a 92% market share in the discrete GPU market, with AMD holding 8% and Intel 0%.

That is not a healthy spread.

DiabloD3 OP
It isn't a "bit of a joke" when the graphics teams behind normal desktop apps and browsers put more work into making sure the thing works on Intel than they have for AMD and Nvidia. They know what the majority of users use.

Nobody cares if Nvidia sells lots of DGPUs if ye average Fortune 500 company isn't deploying devices with DGPUs in them and the app they're paying a million dollars a year for suddenly breaks on Intel.

People need to remember that there is an entire world of computing outside of datacenters and high performance desktops.

account42
NV's real superiority is developer market share. Too many things are developed for Nvidia first with other options an afterthought if supported at all.
DiabloD3 OP
Most things are developed for standardized APIs, not any specific vendor.

For things that are hyperoptimized for a specific vendor, it is usually for AMD, not Nvidia, because most of that time spent optimizing is not done for enterprise compute (as _very little_ optimization is done, companies just buy more GPUs instead of writing better software, under the mistaken belief that developer time is more expensive than GPU TCO) but for game engines.

Game engines that are highly optimized for hardware are doing it for the consoles, both of which are AMD.

The only thing superior about NV is their marketing department.

andrewmcwatters
And the Nvidia option is a 5070 with no better options, so while I’d love to support Framework, there’s no point when MSI regularly ships better products.

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