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munchlax parent
I can build myself a new amd64 box for just under €200. Under €100 with used parts. Some older Dell and Lenovo laptops even work with coreboot.

An Airbook sets me back €1000, enough to buy a used car, and AFAICT is much more difficult to get fully working Linux on than my €200 amd64 build.

Why hasn't apple caught up?


atonse
When netbooks ($400 notebooks) were all the rage, Steve Jobs was asked why Apple didn’t make one. And he said they didn’t know how to make a cheap laptop that didn’t suck.

And he was right. Netbooks mostly sucked. Same with Chromebooks.

There’s nothing to be gained by racing to the bottom.

You can buy an m1 laptop for $599 at Walmart. That’s an amazing deal.

munchlax OP

    > You can buy ... for $599
Not sure why you'd think any random nerd has that kind of money. And Walmart isn't exactly around the corner for most parts of the world.
atonse
I don't follow, is that a counter-argument to my statement? That there exist people that can't afford that, so that makes it not a good deal?
snovymgodym
> I can build myself a new amd64 box for just under €200.

pcpartpicker link?

munchlax OP
Oof. From what I've glanced, a CPU there costs nearly $70 and less performant models are actually costlier. Not sure what to do about that, so here's some general advice:

An AMD APU paired with a microATX motherboard is the cheapest way to get reasonable computing performance. The best thing I ever did was to buy only a motherboard, CPU, and RAM. For €90, I was blown away.

See if you can salvage any parts, there's no need for a case, SSD, and PSU every time. AMD has a nice upgrade path for this. A motherboard with AM2+ socket will fit an AM3 CPU. You can then later upgrade to an AM3+ motherboard and wait for a reasonably priced AM4 CPU, and so on. My gripe with this, however, is that it used to be possible to have different (scavenged) DDR RAM parts as long as it was the same number of pins. A quick glance at the notches would tell you if it fits and that was that. Nowadays you often have to have either just one bank or a few of exactly the same part.

Sometimes it's possible to get lucky, like buying a cheaper model CPU and succesfully unlocking an extra core. And a boxed CPU may be more expensive than a loose tray, but comes with an adequate cooler that'll fit just fine.

Neither of us have any contact details in the profile, although I'm not sure if I can be of much help to you anyway.

One more tip. If you see your box increasingly use swap during normal workload, adding RAM can significantly improve performance. Even if it's lower spec RAM.

rsanek
if you're going to include used, you can get an M1 for as low as $300. https://www.backmarket.com/en-us/p/macbook-air-2020-13-inch-...
FirmwareBurner
>I can build myself a new amd64 box for just under €200

Precisely because of that they haven't caught up. They don't want to compete in the PC race to them bottom that nearly bankrupted them in the 90s before they invented the iPod.

Apple got rich by creating its own markets.

penguin202 (dead)

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