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mrbluecoat parent
> The requirement will go into effect in September 2026 for users in Brazil, Indonesia, Singapore, and Thailand. Google notes how these countries have been “specifically impacted by these forms of fraudulent app scams.” Verification will then apply globally from 2027 onwards.

At least most of the world has until 2027 to install LineageOS or GrapheneOS.


aucisson_masque
Apps are increasingly failing to run on grapheneos because Google is pushing for the play integrity verification. More and more apps, some critical like banking apps, some not at all, require your device to be running an official rom signed by Google.
3036e4
So I will go back to carry two devices, I guess. Like when I had a Jolla Phone and an Android phone. Or before that with a Palm PDA and a dumbphone. It is convenient to have everything combined in a single device, but guess that turned out to be just a temporary luxury.
aucisson_masque
Great for you. What about the normies ? You know the people that protest and make things change, how they are going to organize themselves when their government gets authoritarian and apple/google obeys to governments request to forbid some app. You know like what happened during Hong Kong protest with Apple App Store.

I’m not saying I have a solution but looking at yourself and pretending it’s all fine because you’re 10 times more tech savvy than the average citizen isn’t a viable answer. That kind of issue must be solved by regulation, hopefully Europe gets to bring back on earth whoever at Google agreed on that idea.

int_19h
It's not "all fine", but realistically it's the best that you can hope to achieve.

The "normies" won't protest because it mostly doesn't affect them, at least not in any direct and obvious way that would trigger a pushback.

Regulation is unlikely to give you what you want. For one thing, regulators love centralization in general because it makes it much easier to regulate - when there are only a few large players, you can write the laws around them, effectively forcing them to be the enforcers. A large and diverse field where users can install whatever apps from wherever is much harder to regulate wrt things like banning porn or violent games or whatever it is that "normies" feel upset and demand that SOMEONE DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!1! today.

This isn't to say that you shouldn't try to use political tools. Just be very clear that what you're trying to achieve is a minority take, and therefore you're unlikely to actually reach the goal in a democracy; at best, you will move the needle very slightly.

So, if you want to actually enjoy freedom in the meantime, learn how to be a criminal.

aucisson_masque
I’m not saying normies would protest about that ! I’m not mad, most people will never know nor even care until it’s too late.

I’m referring to protest happening in context like Hong Kong or in Africa during state coup, then having a phone that can run apps used to organize themselves without any government (and so Google) overreach is a necessity.

At the individual level, we could at best petition European deputies.

You’re saying government love centralization so they won’t do anything yet in apple case they forced them to allow third party App Store. Sure Apple did Apple stuff and put horrendous conditions and pricing but the political will was and is still there in Europe.

Splizard
> require your device to be running an official rom signed by Google

How exactly does the app detect this?

aucisson_masque
Google play service integrity, before it was safety net.

Can’t be bypassed without root and otherwise all rom not official and validated by Google are on time watch.

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2024/12/making-pla...

Night_Thastus
>At least most of the world has until 2027 to install LineageOS or GrapheneOS.

Which only work on a tiny, almost insignificant sub-set of phones. If you don't have one of those, you're screwed.

Not to mention the bootloader is getting locked down so you can't even install one of these in the first place.

DanOpcode
Next time you buy a phone, buy a supported model. Right?
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2
So I guess now is the time to decide whether Pixel is actually something I would want to purchase from Google ( and support the decision they just made with cash money ) or.. what exactly. I am not a Apple fan either.
alex_suzuki
We all know that's not going to happen, outside of our tiny bubble.

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