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For consideration, one can pretty objectively determine a programmer who is not qualified. Secretary. CFO. Sysadmin. How would one judge a product manager? That there's no product? That it sucks balls? "We're soliciting feedback and finding product market fit, iterating, A/B testing, we'll be better next quarter, goto 1"

I wouldn't want that job, but I also don't currently know how to bring demonstrable evidence that they're incompetent, either

I have roughly the same opinion about UX folks, but they don't jam up my day to day nearly as much as PMs

sigotirandolas
My only answer to this is, the ones at the top up to the CEO must be mindful enough to realize this, smart enough to figure out a solution, and brave enough to act on it.

Otherwise, it's a matter of time until the house of cards falls down and the company stagnates (sadly, the timescales are less of a house of cards, and more like a coal mine fire).

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