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doctorpangloss parent
see, but if you ask a copyright attorney: Google lost. This is what I mean by aspirational. They won something, in very similar circumstances to Anthropic, "fair use," but everything else that made what they were doing a practical reality instead of purely theoretical required negotiation with Authors Guild, and indeed, they are not doing what they wanted to do, right? Anthropic has to go to trial still, they had to pirate the books to train, and they will not win on their right to commercialize the results of training, because neither did Google, so what good is the Fair Use ruling, besides allowing OpenAI v. NYTimes to proceed a little longer?

dragonwriter
> Anthropic has to go to trial still, they had to pirate the books to train

They did not have to, they had an alternate means available (and used it for many of the books), buying physical copies and destructively scanning them.

> and they will not win on their right to commercialize the results of training

That seems an unwarranted conclusion, at best.

> so what good is the Fair Use ruling

If nothing else, assuming the logic of the ruling is followed by the inevitable appeals court decision and becomes binding precedent, it provides a clear road to legally training LLMs on books without copyright issues (combination of "training is fair use" and "destructive scanning for storage and searchability is fair use"), even if the pirating of a subset of the source material in this case were to make Anthropic's existing products prohibited (which I think you are wrong to think is the likely outcome.)

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