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DannyBee parent
Retention orders of this kind are not uncommon and the judge has not ordered it be turned over to anyone until they hear arguments on it.

I note with amazement that tons of hn users with zero legal experience, let alone judge experience, are sure its the judge who doesn't understand, not them. Based on what I don't know but they really are sure they get it more than the judge!


gridspy
Underlying this issue is that the judicial system (or the patent system, or the political system) is not populated with enough individuals possessing software engineering "common sense."

It is highly likely that this is not confined to just software, I'm sure other engineering or complex disciplines feel the same way about their discipline.

How do we have experts inform these decisions without falling into the trap of lobbying where the rich control the political and legal sphere?

Anyway, I cede you the point that the US law does not match my "common sense" esp around this 3rd party rule mentioned in other comments. It kind of sucks that US "winning the internet" means that even non-US citizens are subject to US law in this regard.

nradov
The judicial system is supposed to apply the law, not "common sense". How could it be otherwise? If you don't like the law then take that up with the legislative branch.
robertlagrant
Is this a legislative issue?
nradov
Yes
andyferris
Who is meant to pay for all this data retention? If OpenAI win the argument, can they claim the storage costs from plaintiffs?

It's OK to say "don't throw out a few pieces of paper for a bit", but that doesn't compare to "please spend $500k/month more on S3 bills until whenever we get around to hearing the rest of the case". (Perhaps that much money isn't that important to either side in this _particular_ case, but there is a cost to all this data retention stuff).

zelphirkalt
Once data exists in persisted form, it has that curious tendency to leak or be repurposed.
mbar84
Lex non cogit ad impossibilia. - The law cannot compel the impossible.

A judicial system populated by people who don't understand what's possible is a real issue.

TZubiri
I noted that, ordering retention is not the same as ordering the turning of the data to authorities.

However the risk of data being leaked, or data being requested through a gag order, cannot be ignored.

That said I don't think the arguments were made, the judge is right to dismiss arguments that don't address these nuances.

I wonder what the precedent with google searches is.

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