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DannyBee parent
How?

the government is not involved at all in this dispute, neither state or federal.


mindslight
So the parties are just like duking it out in a parking lot or something? If the government is not involved, then why does OpenAI even bother listening to the judge?
freejazz
This only demonstrates that you do not understand the difference between the executive and judicial branches. It does not demonstrate a good point.
mindslight
How so? The comment I was responding to made no such distinction - it merely claimed "the government is not involved". In the US, "government" is generally taken to be anybody acting under the banner of nation/state authority (contrast with say the UK). So the government is most certainly involved here - adjudicating the case and issuing this retention order.

(for example, your own comment: the executive and judicial branches [of government])

freejazz
> How so? The comment I was responding to made no such distinction

Should I mention that water is wet every time I mention water? The executive is the executive, the judicial is the judicial. It's inherent in the discussion and pretending otherwise only for the benefit of furthering obtuse points that go nowhere serves the benefit of no one. So you either didn't know, and do now, or you're just cratering the discussion.

mindslight
I made an obtuse reply to an obtuse wrong assertion. You then baselessly claimed I didn't know about different branches of government. That second bit is what tends to crater conversations.

The distinction of the judiciary is most certainly relevant to the actual legal analysis here - the judiciary often reserves sweeping authoritarian powers for themselves, even when they do act to restrain the legislative/executive. So without even really analyzing the details, I am pretty sure that the law as written supports this action.

But the comment I was responding to wasn't making a larger more nuanced argument - rather it said that the government was not involved, defining away the actions of the judiciary as somehow not being governmental action, regardless of them being done with the authority of government.

The overall analysis is that if people are up in arms about this, it just reinforces the need for some actual privacy laws in this country - both to protect from corporations themselves abusing our data, and in this case to prevent the government from creating overly broad judicial orders that may only target specific companies but end up running roughshod over many individuals' rights.

(and just to be clear to avoid going off into the terminology weeds again: the definition of rights I'm using is the one of imagined natural rights, not merely what has been codified into law)

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