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It doesn't mean that MS Teams is safer, it means that the government has tighter control on MS Teams.

Or maybe that Microsoft pays more than Meta.


alephnerd
MS products allow you to store data locally without any egress, so an IT team has access to it.

This is the sticking point, because WhatsApp has now integrated Meta AI into the app, but (obviously) do not provide an on-prem data store. This is why Deepseek AI (the Deepseek app) and ChatGPT (the OpenAI app) are barred as well.

Data Stewardship and Zero Trust has been an internal initiative in the House for a couple years now.

The fact that almost no one on this thead knows these (imo overused) terms and design patterns highlights one of the various major gaps in Software Dev I've been observing for several years now - especially the North American market (given the hours that this was posted). The inability to incorporate or understand some basic security architectures is a major gap.

Edit: Keep pushing the downvotes. The truth hurts, and plays a role in jobs leaving, and funds like my employer funding cybersecurity startups in Israel, India, and Eastern Europe because the ecosystem doesn't exist in the US anymore. A similar trend happened in data layer related work.

We don't need more SKLearn plumbers calling themselves "ML Engineers" or Angular monkeys calling themselves "Fullstack Engineers" - we need people who truly understand fundamentals (or - shudders - first principles), be they mathematical (optimization), systems (virtualization), or algorithms (efficient data structures)

tsumnia
> The fact that almost no one on this [thread] knows these

Its not that they aren't known, but rather we just came off a long trend of thin-clients and cloud storage. Some companies merely stay in that ethereal space, while others had concerns about their data. Criticizing people for doing what experts were pushing for the past 20 years doesn't need to devolve into calling their expertise into question.

The downvotes are for that, not because "you're wrong".

lazyasciiart
I don't think I understand what you're saying here.
tsumnia
Around 15ish years ago, there was a heavy push for things like parallel computing, hosting things on 'the cloud', and managing "big data". So the overarching recommendation was for devices and data to be accessible through a server. It was cheaper to use a third-party for high end compute and large storage rather than storing locally. Remember this was a time when Dropbox was still quite popular.

My original comment is mostly saying that it is too critical of staff saying "how did they not know" when we're now starting to return to in-house solutions. The prior solution was "Go Cloud", now its "Stay Home". In a decade, once enough people learn the struggles of having everything in-house, the next solution will be "Go Cloud" again, or whatever the future equivalent is.

The overall purpose of my comment was more akin to "calm down, we're just in a new tech cycle, no one's an idiot for following the last cycle's solution".

alephnerd
I disagree with your statement simply because I myself started my tech career in the midst of the Cloud First hype cycle, and even then principles around data management and limiting access (eg. via RBAC) was already well understood.

Maybe a significant portion of the HN base simply never worked with companies that either sold to or were a part of regulated industries, but I do not buy that.

Furthermore, all of the design patterns I am describing can and have be implemented within cloud environments as well.

HWR_14
Isn't deepseek 100% open source?
pona-a
The model weights themselves are, but there's also the hosted SaaS.
HWR_14
I remember something about llama only being open-weight, not open-source. Does that mean deepseek is under a similar license and not completely open? I seem to recall some concern about llama's license.
alephnerd
Deepseek the model sure. Not Deepseek AI - the app [0] published by Hangzhou DeepSeek (the company that developed DeepSeek)

[0] - https://apps.apple.com/us/app/deepseek-ai-assistant/id673759...

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