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> if Signal is used in other parts of the world to organize coups or ethnic cleansing, you just would never hear about it because it's all super anonymous 5 stars, but ethically they would still be contributing as much as Facebook or Whatsapp.

Claiming the platform is responsible for the actions of their users is a bit too much, I oppose to that kind of thinking.

Have you heard about net neutrality?


TZubiri
Yeah I heard about net neutrality, against it. At least in my country, Whatsapp used to be free even if you had no internet. Now due to net neutrality, it's not. All it accomplished is that Whatsapp is not gratis, but they still have the monopoly, so it was a net loss. Can you hand to your heart say that forcing people to pay for internet to receive and send de facto phone messages is somehow better? When you don't pay your phone bill you get cut from tiktok and messaging by the exact same policy. With the phone line and sms you can still receive calls and messages, but whatsapp gets cut because it's internet and that's what you get with net neutrality.

Regarding the responsibility for user actions. I'm assuming you'd think the same of Facebook in the cases of Myanmar and the Trinidad Tobago cases? I was just trying to hold the original article in estoppel without espousing a specific view, I think it's nuanced with a lot of grey areas.

Shorel OP
> Can you hand to your heart say that forcing people to pay for internet to receive and send de facto phone messages is somehow better?

Absolutely yes, I can say that, because the answer is to pay for unlimited service, not having some websites having free traffic and pay through the nose for all others.

And whatever Meta is doing, will prevent this unlimited service, where I can download 20GB each day and my bill stays the same.

dguest
How long ago did net neutrality laws force carriers to charge for WhatsApp traffic?
TZubiri
Not 100% sure. In argentina it looks like the law for net neutrality was passed in 2013. Free whatsapp being implemented sometime around 2017, but it must have been reverted shortly after possibly due to FSF lobbying, which was quite close to the government.

Radio and TV neutrality was a hot political topic at the time as well, the incumbent government was pro-intervention and regulation, so that helped. But the FSF had a big impact, going as far as getting Linux to be installed as a dual boot in state sponsored Notebooks for Kids programs.

The good thing is that the field is a bit more open if anyone wants to dethrone whatsapp, but since they were first movers and they have the network effects now, it seems like almost inconsequential, a contender could have negotiated zero-rating with a carrier anyways and work up from there.

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