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How does Signal make money? All chat apps suffer from the same problem that users want to use someone else’s infrastructure for free. WhatsApp is great because it is run by a for—profit company, listed on a stock market, allowing users to take an ownership stake.

ethersteeds
It is sustained by grants and donations, although I'm not clear how near or far it is from being indefinitely sustainable.

The Signal foundation was established in 2018 with $105 million from WhatsApp co-founder Brian Acton, and it actively solicits donations. I give $20 a month.

They released a blog post at the end of 2023 emphasizing the need for donations and estimating operating costs would cross $50m/year in 2025.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Foundation

https://signal.org/blog/signal-is-expensive/

mrweasel
> WhatsApp is great because it is run by a for—profit company

That also what causes the problems. The sad part is that it didn't have to be this way, but being publicly listed currently means that you got to pump those stocks. Very few people invest in stocks because they believe in the long term future of a given company, that's old school thinking.

The types of stockholders that "take ownership" also isn't going to help fund the company long term. They buy the stock once and the hold on to it. How is that going to help?

WhatsApp needed to be a subscription to not go down the ads and data collection rabbit hole. Now there's no going back, more and more ads will appear and more and more tracking will sneak in. This is a Meta product after all, so I don't even understand why people are surprised.

dguest
Mostly donations [1]. The yearly budget is around $30M, which is a lot but pretty tiny for an app so many people use. They only have around 40 employees [2].

Personally I think the small staff, donation-based funding, and security-focused security constraints are a plus: the platform seems way more stable than most and does what it needs to do.

[1]: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/824...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Foundation

TiredOfLife
They run a cryptoscam called MobileCoin

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