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I tried Signal, but it wouldn’t let me export chats, meaning the data is trapped within the app. Did they fix that?

Signal has many faults as a Whatsapp replacement and the export issue ranks also high for me. Other issues:

- Can't move from iOS to Android (and vice versa) without losing your chat history because backups aren't compatible.

- Can't send media with their creation timestamps. All photos shared with family/friends via Signal can't be used to build a photo album without manually sorting pictures.

- Can't automatically save pictures to Picture Roll, Google Drive, Dropbox for integration with your other pictures.

- Only one desktop/computer can be linked to Signal desktop.

- Many useful chat widgets such as polls or real-time location are missing.

- No transcription of audio messages (WhatsApp only has a few languages) and lot of issues with audio messages such as iOS users not being able to play audio messages created on Android but not with Signal.

I don't think they should strive to reach feature parity with Telegram or asian messengers, but why can't they try to at least match WhatsApp in core functionality?

I get the privacy focus, but most of us are not dissidents in foreign countries or journalists who could be killed over their picture metadata. Give us a mode for normal users.

I regret moving my family over to Signal because before I used to have all their pictures as part of my photo stream. Since switching I need to manually save pictures but they don't have the correct timestamps then.

djaychela
>Only one desktop/computer can be linked to Signal desktop.

Absolutely not the case. I've got 2 at the moment, right now. Had 4 running when I had 4 computers I was using.

>Can't move from iOS to Android (and vice versa) without losing your chat history because backups aren't compatible.

Yeah, this is a real pain which I wish they had solved years ago. For personal reasons my daughter has her old android phone with our Signal messages on it, as it's the only way she can keep them as far as we're aware at the moment. It was a pain when I moved from Android to iOS for this reason.

>Can't automatically save pictures to Picture Roll, Google Drive, Dropbox for integration with your other pictures.

I would think this is by design. Signal is designed to be private.

>why can't they try to at least match WhatsApp in core functionality

I would imagine 'funding' and 'privacy' cover a lot of it.

> Absolutely not the case. I've got 2 at the moment, right now. Had 4 running when I had 4 computers I was using.

Thanks for the correction. It seems up to 5 desktops can be linked at least since 5 years, which is odd because I recall this not working or at least causing the old device to unlink.

mercacona
IMHO the constant complaints about losing chats or needing conversation backups aren’t technical problems—they’re social ones. We need to reclaim the freedom to speak with others ephemerally. No one should want all their conversations recorded, yet we’re heading toward the opposite with smart glasses.

Ideally, we’d agree universally: chats saved for one month (the context we can actually remember from a conversation), emails for five years (for administrative control), and conversations never recorded. However, we’ve been manipulated into needing exactly the opposite. Worse yet, we think it’s possible to maintain privacy while transcribing and archiving everything in our minds, making it public.

I want to be given the choice and I don't want companies or benevolent dictators making such choices for me.

For many people their messenger has replaced the photo album. Its where you have all your life memories such as baby photos, first school day, etc. Forcing those to be deleted just sounds dystopian.

mercacona
40 years ago, we weren’t living in a dystopian society –we may be closer now. Back then, most people kept less than 50 photos at home but spent more time with their families, sharing stories and souvenirs.

Companies have taught us to do otherwise for their profit, don’t forget to back up that.

vladms
I would favor freedom over one size fits all "that is good, that is bad". 40 years ago you had no option to make and keep that many pictures.

Even if I would agree with you that people keep too many digital pictures, if someone wants to do it I would also defend their right, because I do not think it is that negative that is worth fighting against.

PS: to put it to the extreme shouldn't we spend any time on hacker news "but spent more time with their families, sharing stories and souvenirs."?...

mercacona
You also might let them get some rest and sleep to fix memories ;-)
maerch
Recently, I found my old ICQ chat history from back in the day. It was a joy to go through, sometimes a little cringeworthy, but overall I really enjoyed it. It felt like a time machine taking me 25 years back, helping me reconnect everything with the memories I have.
mmcnl
What I do with my data should be a choice made by ME, and no one else, and definitely not by some uncontrollable entity on the other side of the world.
mercacona
Here you speak about your data as if it were rocks you found trekking, but the data we’re talking here isn’t even paper or pictures: it’s digital data you can’t access or backup by yourself.

You definitely need uncontrollable entities all over the world for that data to exist. Somehow you’re doing what some of those entities allow you to do, and some want you to do. That’s my point.

viraptor
You're looking for "chat backups". It's there.
thristian
You can make a chat backup, but it's an encrypted binary blob, not a mailbox file or a JSON file or some other more accessible format.

I think I understand why they do that (if you send someone a message on Signal, they try very hard to make it difficult for anyone but the recipient to read it, whether that's by intercepting traffic or reading data stored on your device, or rummaging through your backups) but it does make it a bit of a pain.

It is an encrypted sqlite database and there are tools to decrypt it. I think this is more or less as good and open as it gets.
zarzavat
Seems short-sighted. The more people who use Signal, the more secure their users' chats will be because they can use other apps less. Omitting basic features for "security reasons" reduces security overall, because you can't force other people to use Signal.
jl6 OP
On iOS?

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