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infecto parent
Sounds like you’re taking crazy pills.

Far to early from any of the studies done so far to come to your conclusion.

bgwalter
The LLM proponents are so desperate now that they have to resort to personal insults. Are investors beginning to realize the scam?
infecto OP
It’s strange how often criticism gets deflected with claims of personal attack. You’re citing a study that doesn’t say anything close to what you’re claiming. You’re fabricating conclusions that simply aren’t there.
bgwalter
I quoted zero studies in the comment you respond to and had no intentions of doing so. I quoted a study as well as personal observations under duress after a citation demand appeared.
infecto OP
I honestly have no idea what point you’re trying to make now. You opened with bold claims and zero evidence, then acted like being asked for a citation was some kind of duress. If you’re going to assert sweeping conclusions, expect to be challenged. That’s not an attack, it’s basic discourse.
Kiro
You were the one who started with the insults.
bgwalter
Saying to someone "you are more intelligent if you don't use an LLM" is a compliment, not an insult.
Kiro
You're not fooling anyone.
bopbopbop7
Do you really need a study to tell you that offloading your thinking to something else impairs your thinking?

But yes, there are studies to prove the most obvious statement in the world.

https://www.hackerneue.com/item?id=44286277

infecto OP
It’s not obvious to me but perhaps you are approach it from a biased perspective. Sure if you left all higher order function to a LLM, thinking about homework and simply parsing it all through a chatbot, of course you are losing out. There is a lot of nuance to it and I am not sure if that very first initial study captures it. Everyone is different and YMMV but I suspect it will come down to how you use the tools not a simple blanket statement like yours.

Do you really latch on to a single early study to make conclusions in the world? Wild. Next time before going down the path of rudeness, why don’t you share a real anecdote or thought. We have all seen that study linked many times already.

bopbopbop7
You asked for a study, you got a study. Yet you’re still playing mental gymnastics to somehow prove that not using your brain doesn’t impair thinking. You want an anecdote now? After dismissing a study? Wild. I doubt that will convince you if a study won’t, just grasping at straws.

And no, it’s not nuanced at all. If you stop using your brain, you lose cognitive abilities. If you stop working out, you lose muscle. If you stop coding and let someone else do it, you lose coding abilities.

No one is being rude, that’s just what it feels like when someone calls you out with evidence.

infecto OP
You didn’t “call me out with evidence,” you linked a single early study that doesn’t prove the absolutist claim you’re making. You’re taking a broad, complex topic and flattening it into a gym analogy. That’s lazy thinking. It’s far too early to say either positions. I also never asked for a study, I asked for the parent to back up his claims that are far exceeding anything that study may show. He has nothing. While you might be unable to hold a constructive discussion, I will repeat mine.

I suspect there are shades of gray in how these tools are being used. From one extreme end of just using it to as a magic ball of decision making where no thinking goes into the process, to the other end where a constructive Q&A style discussion is being had. I would be surprised if having constructive discussion with a LLM to not be activating the brain, but like I said, I welcome more studies to dig more as what we have so far today is not what I would call conclusive or showing much.

Green accounts being green.

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