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They literally left astronauts stranded on the space station
adaml_623
You might want to expand your comment to make it clear that the astronauts were 'stranded' by the Boeing Starliner and not by SpaceX Falcon/Dragon
t43562
I wonder if astronauts will be excited to be the first to ride on the Starship given the statistics. Obviously they aren't going to be too keen on the Starliner but that didn't blow up.
DoesntMatter22 OP
Considering NASA has a 50 percent loss rate on their space shuttles and SpaceX hasn't lost anyone yet I don't think it's a problem.

I'm surprised that people are losing their minds over a few explosions as if the US government didn't blow up hundreds of rockets in order to get a working product.

t43562
That's a wonderful way to bend stats to make a point i.e. to compare probability of failure of one flight to probability of eventual loss of one craft that might last many flights.

The risk angle is that this isn't about national security or a government enterprise. This is commercial - you can't spend your money if you're dead.

numpad0
"Stranded" then landing with 3 good parachutes, vs "excitement guaranteed" and literally exploding
DoesntMatter22 OP
Boeing stranded them. Space X rescued them. Which company do you think they trust more
numpad0
And then when they disabled safety checks it just worked.

How can you be confident that, given the circumstance, their lower-cost competitor, the one pushing iterative startup style move fast approach, has the same extensive safety checks AND had zero hardware bugs in 10 or so years?

DoesntMatter22 OP
Which one has been successfully sending astronauts to space for years now and which one stranded them?

Which one do you think the astronauts want to ride on?

numpad0
Which one do I want to ride? Soyuz? Or maybe upgraded Starliner?

I don't want to listen to the maddening tic tic tic tic tic sound[1] on Dragon doing best it can to deorbit by mashing H key, or experience human excrement contamination problem[2] caused by toilet system becoming autonomously unassembled. Soyuz with intact main engines don't seem to have those kinds of problems[3], only spinal injury risks in ballistic modes.

Dragon V2 is a Tesla rocket, after all. In hindsight, why would have it not been one, and how could have it ever been a good thing? Sure, Starliner practically died and rebooted during docking with the ISS, which is surely extremely dangerous, but when it comes to Dragon V2, they had proper kaboom during ground testing.

Tell me, which human spacecraft in past 20 years had a full on explosion, and why should I want to be on it?

1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADFlgu-3GgU

2: https://edition.cnn.com/2021/11/01/tech/spacex-crew-dragon-t...

3: https://youtu.be/fr_hXLDLc38?t=298

DoesntMatter22 OP
LOL okay. Well you do what's best for you. I'll do what works and doesn't involve going to Russia or Flying on Starliner which literally left the last Astronauts stranded.
shmoe
Falcon/Dragon = Successful program, never had the problems Starship has had

Starship = regressing every flight.

This isn't hard to parse man.

DoesntMatter22 OP
It's not a regression every flight. The last flight was pretty successful. You are acting as is this isn't an unprecedented launch vehicle. Even if they lost 20 in a row, as long as they get there that's all that matters. Space X has shown how well things work once they get something working.
shmoe
They have yet to re-light an engine in space, which has been a mission milestone several times now. Either the ship explodes in hot staging, orbit, or re-entry (and now, static testing) and hasn't made it to the controlled spot in the ocean in quite some time.

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