The bootlicker ethos thoroughly explained
I think TZubiri was speaking narrowly, of specific rules. And of their personal general law-abiding view, which one can respect.
I think they weren't speaking more broadly, of all the rules, conditions, and actions that currently apply to immigrants.
For example, I imagine they'd be surprised if, obeying all the rules, as far as they knew, they were suddenly grabbed off the street. Would they feel wronged? I don't think they're addressing that in the narrow comments here.
Regarding the part about thinking of themself as a guest, it's unclear at what point they have (in their view) earned additional rights -- by following rules, and contributing to US society -- and can start to think of it as their home, with additional rights and responsibilities, rather than as still only a guest.
Of course, if someone were framing an issue disingenuously, that might rate strong terms, but I'm trying to follow HN guidelines here, of trying to use the best interpretation of what someone said.
It is strong but I thought merited by Tzubiri’s glee at the imposition of more stringent immigration process
I’m also an immigrant and was able to follow through the long process to immigrate to the US
I quote from Tzubiri gp comment:
> The stance of the US on illegal inmigration has always been clear
Obviously not true - as proven by the fact that millions of illegals immigrants are currently employed in the US, pay taxes, can buy homes, have drivers licenses
> From what I read, the rules haven't changed, rather they are being enforced. My perspective as an outsider is that the people that complain are mostly leftist extremist from one of the most left leaning and inmigrant heavy states (CA).
Even president Trump acknowledged the dependence of US businesses on illegal immigrant labor when calling of ICE raids on farms. The most anti-California president elected not to enforce the rules they swore to follow.
> I see these changes in enforcement as positive to me, as they do not restrict me in any way except in false positives, as I was already complying with the law and my visa terms.
The US visa system makes people jump through arbitrary hoops just to stem the flow of foreigners.
Immigrants that follow the rules then come to believe that instead the system accurately measures worthiness
Why are EB3 wait times for India 10+ years but other countries 2 years?
Why did the US cancel the visas of Haiti and Venezuelan workers thus turning them into illegal immigrants overnight
Why were Cuban immigrants granted special status ?
Why are Cubans banned from US visas ?
The bootlicker is because Tzubiri could do everything by the book and still have their country be banned - they don’t know how additional enforcement will affect them or their loved one’s
And false positives based on random things such as tattoos resulting in getting shipped to a concentration camp, with no due process, are positive to you?
I think that's a nice Mad Men scene in some ways. But we can agree that the writer used weak, stoned, strawman hippie characters for dramatic effect, so that Don Draper could be cool and reinforce the character. The closing line was especially smooth, and fit (and burned).
That scene expresses how you feel, and that's one entertaining way to communicate it, and that's fine.
But I hope we all agree that the scene doesn't constitute competent debate of the merits of feeling that way?
The stance of the US on illegal inmigration has always been clear, and the process for requesting a B1B2 visa is like a rite of entry where it is made even clearer (interviews, seriousness). My father explained it to me when I was young, I must have thought the process was a bit too harsh, "going to their country is like going to somebody else's home, you need to follow their rules, and it's a privilege not a right, to enter".
From what I read, the rules haven't changed, rather they are being enforced. My perspective as an outsider is that the people that complain are mostly leftist extremist from one of the most left leaning and inmigrant heavy states (CA).
I know a lot of people from my country that consider breaking rules and laws as part of natural life and they see visa rules as some other rule to be broken, lots of people that overstay visitor and business visas to work and live in the states or other countries.
I see these changes in enforcement as positive to me, as they do not restrict me in any way except in false positives, as I was already complying with the law and my visa terms. If anything, I am benefitted, as the benefits that are given to law abiding people are becoming exclusive to those that abide the law, instead of also those that disregard it.
It reminds me of this scene from mad men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4FC1VU_uO4