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theodric parent
> "A sturdy, thoughtful, cute design that just can't compete in its price range."

People will pay untold thousands for a Mac, but God forbid when a PC manufacturer charges more than $599 for a laptop. If you're whining about the price, Framework isn't made for you. Go buy that Acer that you really want. The Framework is Sam Vimes' expensive boots that are made to last[1], and I've happily paid in full to get a pair.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boots_theory

sixothree
I really don't understand this argument about price. It seems extremely competitive on price to me. Am I crazy or am I really seeing 48 GB and 2 TB for $1500? For $1500 you get a 16 GB 512 GB macbook air.
nrp
This is a key part of our product value prop. Our memory and storage upgrade pricing is much lower than most other laptop makers, and you can find your own on the open market for even less. Other laptop makers can preserve their overall margin by overcharging on those upgrades, which lets them price their base SKUs more aggressively. We accepted the tradeoff of not gouging on upgrades.
theodric OP
I got my wife an entire-ass Framework 13 7840U /and/ put 32GB RAM and a 2TB SSD in it for less than the cost of the uplift to go from base RAM to 32GB and base SSD to 2TB from Apple at time of preorder. That was the day I stopped being an Apple customer. Maybe for the $300 Walmart laptop folks it's too expensive, but hardly for Mac refugees.
mmcnl
MacBook Air and MacBook Pro actually have very competitive pricing, even if you take into account the expensive upgrades. I'd buy the Windows/Linux equivalent at the same price in a heartbeat.
masklinn
> People will pay untold thousands for a Mac, but God forbid when a PC manufacturer charges more than $599 for a laptop.

The article compares the FL12 to laptops of the same price range, including other framework laptops to note that it falls short.

The FL12 has worse performances and battery life than an M1 Air, for more than an M4.

The point of the article is that the 12 should either be a lot less expensive or it should be a lot better. It's not whatever nonsense you're dreaming of.

MostlyStable
The core philosophy of Framework is repairability and modularity. Yes, you are paying extra for those things, and so people who do not value them, should probably not buy Framework. These comments are full of the old cliche of judging a fish in a tree climbing contest.

Repairabilty and modularity come with tradeoffs. Not everyone is going to value those tradeoffs and therefore shouldn't buy a laptop where those are the priority. But some people do value those things, and telling them to "get a MacBook" is just silly.

theodric OP
You can repair a Mac by handing it (and possibly your wallet) to Apple and letting them replace entire large subsystems to remedy the issue and pair the new parts. A few years back (pre-Apple Silicon) I got a new top case, keyboard, battery, and trackpad because the button in the trackpad had failed. Pretty good deal on a laptop that was nearly 3 years old, in fairness.

To repair (or upgrade) a Framework, you buy the part and install it. That's worth something to me!

Incidentally, I also have a last-gen ThinkPad P14s Gen 5 AMD and it's a flimsy POS. Already needed a new motherboard and battery and spent three weeks sitting at the service center while they rounded up the parts. Wish I'd bought another Framework 13.

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