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You are only fine if everyone is fine.

If it can happen to a brown person, it can happen to you - maybe have a little self interest, or perhaps consider how boring America would be without immigrants and black people - that's kinda where all our culture comes from, in our melting pot everything blends together.

lmm
Nice try. I'm an immigrant and a minority myself, not that people like you ever actually care about supporting people like me.
ben_w
Great, so am I (different country though).

So, what are your thoughts about ICE going after immigrants who think they're legal but didn't dot all the i's and cross all the t's on their paperwork? Because that is in the news as well.

lmm
I think that, much like those who make peaceful revolution impossible make violent revolution inevitable, those who make decent, reasonable immigration enforcement impossible make vicious immigration enforcement inevitable. No doubt the pendulum will swing too hard and too far, and ordinary decent people will pay the price. But when one side is even now still taking the position that you can't deport people who just walked across the border with no intention of ever following the legitimate process, I can't blame the other side for sending in the goon squad to crack heads.
ben_w
> No doubt the pendulum will swing too hard and too far, and ordinary decent people will pay the price.

It has swung, and they are *already paying* the price. That's the question.

> I can't blame the other side for sending in the goon squad to crack heads.

Even when it's your own head? Given the complexity of the system, it's implausible that any immigrant, including you (or I in Germany) have done everything perfectly. But it's worse than that, as people in the USA are currently facing removal for writing things on the internet which are theoretically constitutionally protected free speech.

And that's without any discussion about why nobody in power did anything about what Biden's admin said was about 11 million undocumented migrants:

The reason being the US economy, and of main importance the food supply, actually depends on their labour — depending on how fast they get removed, the USA would be looking a 50% supply cut in perishable hand-picked crops and dairy (if done instantly) to a mere 20% price inflation (if done over a few years). Similar for construction industry, but that's less critical than, you know, eating.

lmm
> It has swung, and they are already paying the price. That's the question.

Yes and no. It's polarised, far too polarised. I hope we can deescalate and reach some reasonable middle ground. But that's going to require a lot of concessions from the left that I don't see any hint of willingness to make.

> it's worse than that, as people in the USA are currently facing removal for writing things on the internet which are theoretically constitutionally protected free speech.

Meh, that's a big nothingburger. Noncitizens have never had constitutional rights or at least not for decades. I don't like it but let's not pretend this is some radical change.

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