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RHSeeger
It seems like it would be possible for state and local forces (police) to arrest and imprison ICE agents that are acting illegally. Specifically, arrest them for kidnapping when the nab people off the streets. Sure, they'll get out because they can lie and pretend they have cause; but they could be locked up for a while at least. And do it enough, and maybe they'll start thinking twice before acting stupid.
dttze
I have bad news about the police. They are exactly the same as ICE. If they fight it would be more like gang warfare over turf and money, since that is all they really are.
unyttigfjelltol
Your outrage is not that ICE is acting illegally but that they are enforcing US law. Having local law enforcement launch some kind of insurrection is the kind of myopic nonsense you would have condemned a few years ago, even months. Heck, for the last 50 years the Imperial Presidency also was a bipartisan consensus.

It looks different when it's your ox getting gored, but the solution is actually temperance, restraint and dialog.

janalsncm
Protests are usually messy and there’s not one single reason people are upset.

Some people are upset with the deportations (US law).

Some people are upset about rescinding visas due to political speech (violation of norms).

Some people are upset because due process is being violated (law).

Some people are upset because the law enforcers are hiding their identities (norm/law).

RHSeeger
I hear story after story about ICE kidnapping folks, wearing masks, not showing ID (in fact, being told _not_ to wear id). And story after story of those folks being held without the ability to consult a lawyer, or see their families, etc. And story after story of people being deported without due process. And story after story of judges saying very clearly that this is illegal. And ordering it to stop. And yet it continues.

So no, I'm not outraged that they are enforcing US law. I am outraged that they are breaking US law in the name of enforcing it. And I think they should be forced to stop it. And clearly, the judicial branch telling them it's illegal isn't getting them to stop.

someothherguyy
> Your outrage is not that ICE is acting illegally but that they are enforcing US law.

https://www.aclu.org/news/immigrants-rights/how-ice-sidestep...

unyttigfjelltol
Again, I pointed out ICE is enforcing US law, and you responded with an article about Colorado law.

In a different time, public officials in such a situation would have demurred with a deft "I've read the Constitution."[1][2] I wonder what changed.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_preemption

[2] https://nationalpolice.org/federal-supremacy-how-conflicting...

someothherguyy
Sure, I am familiar.

The law prevents Colorado's agencies from sharing information with ICE, instead ICE uses LexisNexis.

This can lead to things like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalez_v._ICE

https://www.latimes.com/archives/story/2018-04-27/ice-held-a...

distortionfield
This is the natural end result of giving the president qualified immunity for acts in office. There is now no reason for them to follow the law.
lesuorac
How?

None of these individuals are the president.

It's the effect of qualified immunity for non-presidents.

blooalien
Mostly because they're acting as agents of the president's agenda, and as such, even if one were to prosecute them for their crimes, the president would just blanket-pardon them all and executive-order that they're immune to any legal enforcement against them, and the toadies in D.C. would roll over and allow it all to happen.
lesuorac
But none of that has to do with a president's own qualified immunity.

ICE isn't inheriting the president's qualified immunity; they have it because they're government employees. It doesn't matter if they're acting in the presidents interests or not and for state employees if they're acting in the governors interests or not.

Pardon is a very clearly enumerated power of the president so any usage of it is very clearly legal (although typically undesirable).

pjc50
The problem with the presidential pardon is that it enables the president or his accomplices to carry out any amount of federal crimes. See Iran-Contra.

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