Sorry, but it seems you didn't really want to have a rational conversation after all, and may have been just eliciting a response from me for some other purpose. Its disappointing when people engage in discussions and then act in bad faith to muddy the water.

You disagree that these examples, which include the prescriptive properties established by experts on the subject matter to define torture are what you would consider torture, a contradiction of established facts, and you don't define what you mean.

At the point where you start contradicting yourself, or worse, are reasoning circularly (rational discourse requires metaphysical objectivity/identity) there really isn't anything of value that can be had. Such examples include harassment and bullying if you missed it.

It does a disservice to the victims when the water seems to get purposefully muddied towards noise.

Here are three different victims, the more you dig the more bodies you find, more than ever make national news:

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/11-year-old-was-bullied... https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/12/us/new-jersey-teen-suicide-af... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_of_Rebecca_Sedwick