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bongodongobob parent
Unless you're in like the top 1% in your field, there is no negotiation. Must be nice I guess.
ryandrake
Yea, I kind of think a lot of these "Just negotiate, bro" posts are from people who are extremely strong candidates already, like they invented the entire field that the company plays in. Or their PhD thesis was on the exact thing the company is trying to do. For the rest of us, companies can take us or leave us--they aren't going to get into some bidding war for some generic, but strong senior skilled candidate.
ornornor
That’s scarcity mindset and it decimates your potential for negotiation. If you really truly believe you are a commodity and have nothing at all to offer compared to any other candidate, it’s worth either learning something new to get out of that commodity category and/or look at your experience + knowledge outside your core specialty and market that better.

It sounds cliché but there is nobody like you. We all have unique experiences (life + professional), hobbies, knowledge no one else has or at least not in that particular combination. That’s your « unfair advantage » as some call it and you absolutely can use it to your advantage.

The choice is yours.

Tainnor
I have things like Haskell, Lean and Prolog on my CV - definitely not things that everyone else has had experience with. Recruiters/HMs generally aren't interested in these kinds of things. Oh but you have worked with Kafka before? Now that puts you ahead, even though so many others have.
bongodongobob OP
The one time I tried to negotiate for a director position they responded along the lines of "Oh we're sorry if we implied that this was a negotiation. You can accept or decline the offer by the end of the week."
ornornor
I’m an average software engineer and I can’t remember a time where I took a job I didn’t negotiate the salary on. Companies that refused to negotiate were the last offers I’d consider and I end up not taking their offers. I was often better paid than my peers. And my professional accomplishments are far from exceptional, I’ve never worked for any companies you’d know, I have gaps in my CV.
ryandrake
LOL we might have applied at the same company. That's almost word for word what I've heard in the past: "Oh, sorry, we must have been unclear: the offer is not negotiable." I said NO and they said "OK, thanks for applying."
_dain_
It's not just for "elite" devs.

For my second real job I did not feel I was an "extremely strong candidate", just a mildly above-average one. I crushed the coding portion of the interview, but that balanced against my unspectacular CV and lack of experience in the company's field. I read the linked article, applied the principles as best I could: I got £10k more than what they offered first.

Mind you, this was during peak ZIRP so I was probably playing on easy mode and didn't know it.

wrs
What? No. If my team has gone to the effort of a full interview loop with you, and we think you’re a good candidate, we’re not going to start over to save $10k. This isn’t one of those periods when companies are having trouble hitting their hiring quotas; if you got that far then they must be serious.

(Note that if is one of those crazy periods, they still won’t quibble over the salary, but for an entirely different reason!)

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