Then you'd make a more sensible comparison like React versus something like SwiftUI which is constantly changing, constantly breaking, and still basically in beta mode for 10 years, yet it only runs on specific versions of Apple hardware and software. And usually it's so insufficient that you also build part of your app in UIKit/Cocoa in a completely different language.
React is far more stable to build with and far less experimental.
People who have never touched any UI tech until HTML/JS have no clue how good they have it, so they confuse universally hard things about UI tech with something that must be specific to JS, so they additionally assume it's so much better elsewhere.
You should try updating a nontrivial SwiftUI app you made for the iPhone 11 to work on the iPhone 16. Not only have your libraries changed (not just topical ones, but the Promise library you used is defunct and everything now uses Combine and 2021 Swift async features, so you have to migrate all of your async code), but the platform itself doesn't have APIs that you were using anymore. That's not even a class of problem you deal with on browser tech.
"People who have never touched any UI tech until HTML/JS have no clue how good they have it"
Tech like:
- Delphi/Free Pascal, where usually code from 20 years ago compiles today with minor adjustments?
- Qt, developed and maintained for over 30 years, currently at 6th major release?
- Win32, and frameworks built on top of it like MFC, WinForms, WPF?
Yeah, we are SO lucky we've got JS ecosystem. It is impossible to think how people lived without it.
- Qt has had a mostly stable interface since Qt 4.0 and that was twenty years ago.
- Win32 has had barely any breaking changes since it was introduced with NT 3.1 in 1993 or so.
Most of the UI/UX churn in that space comes from fashion changes in UI design.
The developer velocity enabled by React is insane.
The only folks already doing Win16 development with pure C code, instead of a C++ framework (OWL, MFC, VCL), VB or Delphi, were stuck in jurassic park.
The only valid reason for raw Win32 applications are games.
Not always. I attempted to upgrade some open source 32bit Delphi frontend code to 64bit/ARM, but the specific GUI toolkit was never ported.
It's similar for Java frontends, JavaFX in particular seems to be a moving target.
QT is a bit of an outlier in terms of frontend stability, but at the cost of the UI looking pretty dated.
I don’t mind learning or using a framework to do complicated things. I mind when the ecosystem as a whole makes it so much harder to get real work done and instead forces everyone to do busywork like switching tsconfig to eslint, then switching eslint config to the new flat format.
The churn is part of why I try to do mostly backend these days, especially with the current state of tooling. Like when react came out it was immediately clear it was going to be a mainstay, I can't imagine nextjs in it's current form to be around in a few years because it's very terrible and I want the metaframework dust to settle a bit before diving back in.
My theory is that there was a perfect storm around 2015 where everyone and their dog was encouraged to learn to code, especially by going through a coding bootcamp where they were mainly taught Javascript and React. At the same time there was a general enthusiasm for Open-Source, and of using Github as a sort of alternative, better Linkedin in order to get your first job as a software engineer.
As a result lots of silly packages were created (and used !) by well-meaning junior developers, who were told that coding is very simple but also fraught with peril, so if they are serious then they better should use packages such as 'is-odd' which is clearly more professional than doing it yourself, cause it follows the DRY principle and also get updated test by lots of people, etc...
Elm was _an_ influence on Redux, but there were many other influences as well. Dan Abramov's prior experience did include some VB (possibly VB.NET, I think), but also a lot of actual JS.
See the actual "History of Redux" and "Prior Art" docs pages, and a couple of my blog posts, for an accurate description of the influences that led to Redux's creation:
- https://redux.js.org/understanding/history-and-design/histor...
- https://redux.js.org/understanding/history-and-design/prior-...
- https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2017/05/idiomatic-redux-ta...
https://blog.isquaredsoftware.com/2017/05/idiomatic-redux-ta...
Well gosh darnit, then everyone and their mother is going to come to America
It's an age old envy.