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If I compare our work in EU to US, every job is basically slave labor. Even sitters.

Eg.: I have 30 days of paid vacation, now I'm taking month off. Don't need to worry about my job, they cannot fire me. As I understand in US, if you take vacation longer than week, you're in the fear you will be fired. Is it true?

Job, IT, of course.


> As I understand in US, if you take vacation longer than week, you're in the fear you will be fired. Is it true?

This is a common misconception which comes from the fact that there are no federal required vacations. That does not mean companies don't offer vacations as a benefit. I have yet see any positions without offering any.

In IT it's pretty much universally quite good. I had 5 weeks before, but now we switched to unlimited (as long as you do your job ok). I now take around 6 weeks per year, and I don't really need more.

> This is a common misconception which comes from the fact that there are no federal required vacations.

You must never have been pressured not to take your vacation days or sick days. I think most people have been. I've seen people constructively fired for taking vacation, or even for taking their entire entitled maternity leave rather than cutting it short.

This is what I've meant. I've read some blogs, news etc. about people taking vacations. But still pressured to check email everyday.
Is this more common in startup companies? Or corporate comp.?
> As I understand in US, if you take vacation longer than week, you're in the fear you will be fired. Is it true?

I have a coworker who takes off 3 weeks in a row every year. Never been an issue.

In general in the US, tech companies have excellent benefits -- including plenty of vacation. Not as much as Europe but it's not bad.

I believe slaves are usually not compensated for their work and cannot leave their jobs.
I think the OP meant it metaphorically. "Basically" seems to signal this. Since metaphors are not the thing itself, there are necessarily aspects that do not fit. However, metaphors may be bad metaphors. So you may or may not have a point here. But this point should be made explicit to move the discussion forward.

Also, I suspect that the OP is not a native English speaker, because there seems to be a subtle difference between a narrow standard metaphorical use of "slave labo(u)r" in English along the lines of "work that is done by enslaved people or by people who are treated as though they are enslaved"[1] and a wider use for example in German were "Sklavenarbeit" means something like hard work under degrading conditions.[2]

[1] As Merrriam-Webster defines it at https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slave%20labor

[2] Cf. for example the lemma "sklavenarbeit" in Grimms' dictionary: "sklavenarbeit, f. arbeit, die ein sklave thun musz, die einem sklaven ziemt, harte arbeit. Campe, schlavenarbeit, lavoro, fatica da schiavo. Kramer deutsch-it. dict. 2 (1702), 562a: schlavenarbeit thun müssen, dover faticare da schiavo. ebenda; was ists für mühe und sklavenarbeit der ackerbau. Herder bei Campe." https://woerterbuchnetz.de/?sigle=DWB&lemid=S30002

I think you will find that at least in UK English, "slave labour" is used almost exclusively in the second sense [1]. The UK not having reckoned as much with its history of actual enslavement, this term is significantly less loaded than it is in the US.

[1] Oxford dictionary: " (informal) work that is very hard and very badly paid", https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/definition/englis...

Yes, very true, nice work. Yes, not a native speaker. Middle of Europe. Actually, several hundred years ago, our ancestors were slaves here :) (probable origin of slavs, who knows)
The distinction is that IME most Europeans (I am British for what it’s worth) - not all - but most - simply cannot fathom the concept of having any financial independence at all.

They need paid time off and paid maternity leave and all of that stuff because they can’t conceptualise putting away the money to do this themselves. Significant savings or investment are rare outside of a property.

It’s just money on the other side of the equation, government and socialised vs independent and free to use or not.

At the very bottom it’s not like it matters in either case, you might have time off but no money to do anything with it.

I don't think it's that simple, for at least two reasons I can immediately think of:

1) Several Americans live paycheck to paycheck with no significant savings outside of property either. One unexpected emergency is enough to empty the savings of most Americans [1](https://www.yahoo.com/news/one-emergency-away-study-shows-22...). The idea that Americans make more money and that makes up for the difference just doesn't play out in reality for all but the richest and luckiest.

2) Taking a 30 day vacation and coming back to the same job without any threat of repercussion is much more valuable than simply 30 days worth of saved wages. The average American worker can't just take 30 days off, even as leave without pay, and expect to come back to the same job. If they want a 30 day period with no work, the vast majority of American workers will have to quit their current job and then hope to be able to find a new one later - which certainly isn't a given if you're working unskilled jobs to begin with.

This vary between classes. Middle class people usually have enough money to live whole year without work. Also if you add social security into this equation, here in middle of EU, social security gives you certain portion of your previous paycheck as unemployment support, depends how high it is, you can also get rent support, which will pay you whole rent.
I work for a FAANG and a month, well planned, vacation is totally OK. If I want to take a week of I more or less need no notice, but for a month it would be expected I plan ahead what the people I work with should do.

I have 5 weeks vacation and unlimited sick days every year.

My experience of working for a couple of FAANGs does not mirror this - while I was never laid off during a vacation, I think every vacation over 3 weeks I ever took, I returned to discover that my team had either suffered a major reorg, or the entire project was cancelled, and I had to find another team to work on.
Yep, I've taken several three-week vacations and it's never been a problem. The main thing is just giving plenty of advance notice (and reminding people as it gets close) so my manager can schedule around it, and making sure projects are in a good state with arrangements made for anything that needs covering while I'm out.
> As I understand in US, if you take vacation longer than week, you're in the fear you will be fired. Is it true?

lol, do you get most of your information from retards on reddit?

It depends on the job. I’ve had jobs where you couldn’t get approval to take a week off and a week off at my current job is no big deal. Generally PTO is more generous as you become harder to replace.
A week? Nah. I’ve routinely taken two weeks to burn off PTO.

A month straight is probably a hard sell though, yes.

Yeah this is why I always take more than a month off between jobs.

Besides parental leave and the very rare even for FAANG companies who offer month long sabbaticals once every five years, a month is a hard sell.

For certain knowledge work, the job market is much stronger and orders of magnitude better paying in the US.

And nah, most if not all of my coworkers have taken two consecutive weeks off, and have taken roughly a total 25 days off the year excluding holidays.

My european wife (watching some US show) just asked me "what is it with Americans and their boxes*?" After determining the context of the question (being escorted out of the building with your personal items in a box) I attempted to explain At Will Employment...

* last time it was the red plastic cups, before that it was "being proud", etc. etc.

What an awful comparison

> As I understand in US, if you take vacation longer than week, you're in the fear you will be fired. Is it true?

No this is complete nonsense for 95%+ of jobs

Another way of looking at it is that it is indeed quite true. Only, with "at-will employment", you get to live in that same fear whether or not you take any vacation.

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