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Chinese cars apparently still lack good reputation in terms of durability, repairability or reliability. As far as I know they also are full of needles software stuff prone to fail and to spy on you because the Asians are more prone to welcome digital "progress" and surveillance in their lives. For the westerners mindless consumerism is just a norm so more of them can take it critical, for the Asians who got out of poverty way later it is heaven finally on Earth so they just cheer more and more of it. Japanese Nissan is infamous for the craziest user privacy policy ever and I doubt any Chinese carmaker is better (I would imagine they have no privacy policy at all, just take whatever data imaginable and stream it in plain-text).

> still lack good reputation in terms of durability, repairability or reliability

Are Western cars particularly better in these areas? I have a Mercedes E class (W212) bought new several years ago which I've always serviced at Mercedes authorized workshop. It's a money pit. Reliability — something or the other snaps every other month these days. Repairability — even simple things require taking apart the whole car. Durability — you mean the strength of the body? Yeah that seems good, actually.

And I know mine is not a one-off case.

Maybe the Chinese cars might actually get these things right. We don't know yet.

The European cars' redeemable aspect is that they drive well.

> As far as I know they also are full of needles software stuff prone to fail

Go sit in a new Mercedes BMW, or even Volkswagen and enjoy all those screens. Decide for yourself if they're needed or not.

> for the Asians it heaven finally on Earth so they just cheer more and more of it

Fascinating how you caricatured away billions of people with a simple flippant thoughtless remark.

> Fascinating how you caricatured away billions of people with a simple flippant thoughtless remark.

I believe caricatures are among the most precious things a human can produce, self-caricaturing even being abong the highest merits. This one is based primarimy on self-reflection, as most of them are, consciously or not.

I'm sure it's mostly FUD.

I had an Audi A1. Back to Japanese cars now. Never getting an Audi again. Instead of happily working like a car is supposed to, something always broke, it was difficult and expensive to service. The mechanic told me: "this type of engine comes rattling from the factory". While it worked, it worked great, but then an oil indicator would appear, a taillight would randomly flash. Also, the newer Q5 diesels eat oil like there's no tomorrow, you have to fill a liter every 1000 kms, along with diesel and adblue. That's three automotive fluids that you need to fill in regularly. I just hope they get banned sooner rather than later.

We won't buy Nissans though. They're just more expensive and annoying Renaults. Also if one wants a cheaper utilitarian vehicle, French cars have gotten better, to the point it makes no sense to buy a more expensive German brand. I used to dismiss Renault but after renting a Clio and seeing how well it handles and how much it costs, I've changed my mind. The soundproofing was crap though, but I couldn't care less since the rest of the car was very erogomonic, had useful sat nav, rear camera, was not underpowered even with the low capacity entry level engine and it handled very well both in the city and on the highway.

Also Alfa Romeos. What's even the point of buying a BMW as long as Alfa exists? They basically have 3 models, as opposed to 10+? A sports sedan and two SUVs. It's got the looks and the horsepower, all leather inside. It's just as reliable if not even more mostly because BMW is no longer a hallmark of reliability, quite the opposite. If that's not enough, there's always Maserati. And if one wants an EV then buy a Tesla instead. The others are playing catch up anyway, with no longer a chance in sight to actually rival Tesla or even the more upmarket Chinese manufactureres like BYD or Nio.

And I’m an Audi convert after 13 years of an A7 from new and put 120k miles on it.. Best car I’ve ever owned (40 years, 17 cars).. Yearly service, oil change each time.. Transmission and diff. Oils at 50k & 100k, and all that’s needed doing beyond that is the stupid Aluminium brake dust shields, and exhaust heat shields that just seemingly dissolve when exposed to, anything.. Oh, and the slidey outey screen failed due to the power cable, but cost £50 to fix.. Cheapest maintenance car I have ever owned..
> the Asians who got out of poverty way later it is heaven finally on Earth so they just cheer more and more of it.

There are so many things wrong with this statement Im not sure where to start.

I know. I just had no idea how to express the idea better. It would take an entire essay and a lot of research to express the same correctly which I have no time to do so I put it rough expecting the audience to get the clue and spit out the bitter aftertaste. I'm sorry if anybody got sincerely upset by reading this.

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