Comment by lxgr - Hacker Neue

lxgr Nov 16, 2023 parent

> This is why I don't buy Google's bad faith shaming of Apple for not adopting RCS.

Google is literally operating an RCS SaaS company for marketers and telcos, so I'd take any of their statements in support for RCS with a grain of salt: https://jibe.google.com/

eitally Nov 16, 2023

To be fair to Google, though, they did not intend to operate this as a SaaS. They fully expected carriers to run their own RCS servers but almost none did, so stepping in to fill the void was a follow-on decision from Google (which was honestly a very smart move - Messages w/RCS is hugely improved over vanilla SMS) only after realizing carriers didn't have the appetite to abandon SMS.

hbn Nov 16, 2023

Yup. The shaming campaigns are just a way to play the moral high ground in their effort to replace an actual messaging standard with their own proprietary service.

SMS is certainly long overdue to be replaced, but I don't want it replaced with a Google service. Hopefully the iPhone adoption will be some incentive for carriers to implement RCS properly.

lxgr OP Nov 16, 2023

I'm afraid that the only incentive for carriers to invest anything into RCS would be being able to charge for it or use it as a way to lock in their customers.

As antiquated as SMS is, at least all carriers support it, and people largely don't need to worry about their existing conversation threads being interrupted when they switch carriers.

I believe that that's not true for RCS at least for group conversations.

kelnos Nov 17, 2023

I don't really care if the shaming was done in good or bad faith. At the end of the day, I'm an Android user in a sea of iPhone users, and I'm tired of the fact that our default communication mode has to be SMS or MMS. If this fixes that problem, I don't quite care how we got here.

izacus Nov 17, 2023

It's kind of bizarre that people here would rather have shitty experience talking to their friends just to defend the honor megacorporations.

Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE. They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend. Jesus.

Being able to send a rich message from iPhone to Android and back (including location, pictures, videos) is really not something that will cause you pain and Apple won't lash out and punish you for it.

randomdata Nov 17, 2023

> Apple and Google ARE NOT PEOPLE.

That's incorrect. Apple here refers to a group of people, not the fruit. Google here too refers to a group of people, not the software that provides search features.

> They do NOT HAVE FEELINGS you need to defend.

Their feelings need to be defended as much as any other person. Which, logically, is not at all, but as you are defending your own feelings here what is logical is already violated, so...

izacus Nov 17, 2023

Let's use the term "corporate entity" instead of "group of people". Because corporate entities do not have human emotions or human properties and actively work on suppressing them to generate (or extract) value.

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chatmasta Nov 17, 2023

Nice website. Let's see if we can edit it for another Google product...

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