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The fact that you have multiple companies each running their own physical network (through the same ducts, no less!) is absolutely wasteful - imagine if we did the same for the electric grid, water or gas.

The physical network should be government-managed and any providers can pay for layer-2 access between any 2 points. This will prevent wasteful, redundant infrastructure.


I would agree with you on water, gas and electricity, but that's mainly because those installations are bulky and H2O, CH4 and electrons are (relatively) fungible.

On the other hand, being an L1 fibre provider requires a point of presence in the every location where your customers' fibres are terminated because packets are not fungible. Of course, you could expose L2 access by mandating that an independent party such as OpenReach own that fibre terminating equipment and then have them interface with ISPs in an IXP, which is what I assume you're suggesting. That works. Technically. It worked for LLU to privatise BT's existing network, and resulted in a huge reduction in prices to access the existing network.

On the other hand, it was pretty useless for innovation. Nobody had any incentive to build any new infrastructure, so it just languished. My OR connection is still 30Mb/s, rather than the multiple private 1Gb/s+ providers in my area. Plus OpenReach takes weeks to set up a new service and are useless at fixing faults. Even now, OR fibre, in the few places you can get it, is limited to 115Mb/s upload, and it's expensive, whereas the best private fibre company near me is 3Gb/s symmetrical for £50/month. If as an independent ISP renting L2 access from OR, if I want to provide better bandwidth than OR is willing to sell, there's nothing I can do.

Fibre is tiny and easy to install, relatively speaking. There's not much additional cost to having multiple redundant fibre providers covering a street. I do wonder if there's something we can do to find a middle ground, like open access under-road trunking, or having a right to buy the fibre installation from an ISP and port it to another provider.

What you have is already the case - that's "OpenReach", owned by the incumbent and required to provide wholesale access to ISPs for the "last mile". Independent ISPs then provide the Internet connectivity.

But they have to provide nationwide coverage at uniform pricing. So private companies can provide parallel service in dense urban areas for less.

Here in the US, the courts piece by piece courts took apart Section 271 of Telecommunications Act of 1996 that guarantees unbundled network elements (UNE)/local loop unbundling (LLU).

By 2003, the FCC basically gave up. They ignored Congress & said, yeah, fine, broadband is exempt, because it's kind of expensive. Their Trienniel review dismantled UNE/LLU. https://docs.fcc.gov/public/attachments/FCC-03-36A1.pdf

So now America has nearly no competitive access to broadband.

The new 5G wireless providers are changing this some, at least in urban areas. I’m currently using one and get around 500mbits download rate. Cost is about $25 per month.
I pay seven times that. Because I'm on a creaking old DSL line the provider doesn't want to maintain, at 12mbits or so. Consistent. SYMMETRICAL.

I don't give a crap about download. I work publically and support my work using YouTube. Every week I'm uploading 20 gigs or so of video, MINIMUM, and if it dropped I'd have to start over. I'm uploading 4k ProRes because my competition is at that quality level or better, and I won't stand out if I look like crud, and what I upload is going to be recompressed no matter what.

Don't tell me about download. I'll just sit reading Hacker News if download's a problem (evidently!). I depend on upload, not download, and I rarely even see it referred to much less touted.

I abandoned a brief dabbling with Starlink before even getting an actual dish, because it didn't look like I was going to be able to trust upload bandwidth to beat what I've got with my symmetrical, reliable 12M. It matters.

Stayed at an AirBnB once that had fiber. I had >100m upload. It would make stuff possible for me that I just can't do currently. Granted, taking advantage of that requires thousands in investment, but what real business doesn't?

A local phone company just rolled out some fiber near me, and it's honestly amusing to watch their poor marketing people try to describe the differences between 500/500, 1000/1000, and 5000/5000.

Did you know you should get 5000/5000 if you have a lot of smart home devices? hahaha

Most seem to soft cap you after ~20GB traffic, here in the US.

Last I checked Comcast Xfinity Mobile was one of the kindest soft caps, offering 1.5/.75Mbps down/up.

I think maybe there has been some shift recently around these incredible limits (5.3 minutes/month of full speed use is 0.0001% utilization). Xfinity went up to 50Gbps. I think some plans now "deprioritize" rather than outright limit, which is interesting, but there's such utterly non-existsnt data, such inability to shop & see what to expect.

Which one?
Late reply, but it is Verizon.
Exactly, it's absurd. For a little more detail, this is Stamford Lincs. As well as BT installing FTTP we also have Upp Broadband and LightSpeed Broadband installing their own infrastructure.

https://www.upp.com/

https://www.lightspeed.co.uk/

They have had to make some of the underground junction boxes bigger to fit all the kit in.

My only thought is that they hoped to get their kit in quicker than BT and get brought out. Clearly the aim of these regional companies is to eventually be acquired by larger national ISPs.

Sounds oddly like the early days of the London Underground. So many weird station layouts in the modern system are the result of multiple separate systems run by private companies later being combined. There's an excellent YouTube channel about it: https://www.youtube.com/@JagoHazzard
UK government bodies are not known for speedy infrastructure installations/upgrades, which is why the UK has always been at the arse end of broadband speeds in Europe (let alone compared to the rest of world).
Sort of true, but comment suggests UK is much worse, which is sort of not true:

  Country       Mean Mbps

  France          120.01
  Spain           115.61
  Netherlands     113.98
  Malta           107.70
  Monaco          100.26
  Belgium          91.74
  Portugal         91.61
  Norway           88.80
  Sweden           86.76
  Germany          72.95
  United Kingdom   72.06
  Ireland          70.42
  Switzerland      63.20
  Finland          56.28
  Denmark          52.57
  Italy            46.77
  Austria          45.56

source: (xlsx) https://www.cable.co.uk/broadband/worldwide-speed-league/202...
Canada's internet companies are basically crown corporations. Squashing competition doesn't help the consumer as much as you might imagine.

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