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Scoundreller May 5, 2023 parent

Nice to see eBay invest further on its search side.

This paper is too dense for me to read through at this moment, but eBay must be a real disappointment for its shareholders:

Despite its head start at being a platform for online retail open to anyone, eBay stock has only doubled in 10 years, or in other words, added $12b in equity value (currently $24b). Imagine that: a successful tech company with a real product in a market that’s going stratospheric (online shopping) has lagged the S&P 500.

Meanwhile Amazon has octupled, which works out to adding $864b in market value.

In other words, Amazon has added 36 eBays worth of equity to itself in the last 10 years.

Ok, I haven’t looked at corp debt to calculate these numbers based on enterprise value, but that could make the numbers worse: eBay is asset-light with little physical infra compared to Amazon.

eBay’s fees have gone through the roof, so I suspect its volume has been decreasing.

cjbgkagh May 5, 2023

Ebay used to have an engineering limit on the number of items in their indexes so they couldn’t grow and had to increase fees instead to keep the item count down, I don’t know if they still have that limit, I haven’t been paying attention. It meant they ended up with a focus on very high margin crap, Amazon is now going the same way because they can and it makes a lot of money.

Maybe with more listings eBay can lower their fees so that low margin items are able to be sold. And maybe with some competition between the two there might be a reduction of fees and a return to quality. Sadly I don’t think eBay is competing effectively, their website still sucks and I can’t get anything resembling an invoice for taxes, maybe it’s there but I haven’t seen it, I don’t use eBay very often.

MontyCarloHall May 5, 2023

>Ebay used to have an engineering limit on the number of items in their indexes so they couldn’t grow and had to increase fees instead to keep the item count down

I find this incredibly hard to believe. The hard limit on the number of total listings was deemed such an intractable problem to solve that rather than focus all engineering efforts for a few months on raising it, they just threw up their hands, didn’t even attempt to solve it, and tried to increase revenue solely through higher listing fees?

bliteben May 5, 2023

I find it very credible. Early ebay had very high fees on photos. They also would purge old auctions within at least 90 days. They still do purge old auctions which clearly would have some seo value. Also the whole way ebay motors was operated as essentially a separate site lends credibility as well.

MontyCarloHall May 5, 2023

That just means they were trying to cut costs (by reducing their storage footprint) and increase revenue (by charging a premium for photos) at the same time. I guess the brass at eBay deemed the commercial value of archiving old listings to be worth less than the cost of storing them. Remember, storage used to be very expensive, and no amount of engineering effort could decrease the cost of server racks and hard drives.

eBay Motors is separate because the process of buying a car is very different from buying knickknacks. The number of listings on eBay Motors is tiny compared to the main site, so it doesn’t even make sense that they’d split it off specifically to split up their listing database.

None of what you mention is evidence of a technical limitation.

cjbgkagh May 5, 2023

And making a website that doesn’t suck shouldn’t be hard either… the eBay corporate culture is really bad, most blame the Meg Whitman era for that. Sometimes companies get so bad that even very simple things become insurmountable. Auction items have a few extra dimensions of complexity over normal search as the value changes quite dramatically over time and mostly at the last minute so it’s quite time sensitive. I know people who work there, they’ve checked out and are just collecting a paycheck and I don’t blame them.

sashank_1509 May 5, 2023

Amazons growth has been one of the most astonishing things this decade. It feels like they broke all rules and managed to absolutely dominate. I remember in the 2000s the dominant paradigm was to be a platform since software “can’t do infra”. The idea was to be the middleman that Walmart, Target etc use, not to directly compete with them. Amazon did the opposite and competed hard and won.

Another anecdote is in a sea of tech companies that try to attract talent with perks/ benefit/ even high salaries Amazon had none. Amazon prides itself for making a table out of a door to save money (no joke). But arguably Amazon employees made bank in Amazon because of its stock growth, definitely more compared to Google, Apple, Meta, maybe similar to Microsoft. Finally of all companies, Amazon is the only big tech I know that veered off its main product and still dominated. AWS is completely off the left field for Amazon, it makes me optimistic that Amazon might become a juggernaut in healthcare too (they definitely are trying).

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