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I'm going off the warranty - if it was really that good they'd offer better warranty, no? Speaking of the Nissan Leaf, upon searching I came across a forum post (https://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=32426) claiming they're down to 60% in 6 years. Pretty bad, no? Obviously anecdotal but my original post was conservative to begin with.
josephcsible
Is 60,000 miles a good estimate for how long the engine and transmission will last in ICE vehicles, since that's how long the warranty on them is?
endisneigh OP
Yes. EVs have Powertrain and Battery warranty. You'd think the powertrain warranty would be much longer in an EV right?

The only manufacturer that seems to put their money where their mouth is in Hyundai with a lifetime length and mileage battery warranty.

peferron
Why do you answer "yes" when the answer is obviously "no"? No, 60k miles is not a good estimate for how long ICE powertrains usually last. Truly baffling reasoning.

Another example: iPhones have a 1-year warranty but usually last much longer than that.

endisneigh OP
It's an apples to apples comparison. Anything else is just cherry picking. There are plenty of cars that can't go 60K miles without some part of the powertrain needing maintenance. The question is how long something lasts without needing any repair. The warranty is a good approximation of this. Obviously with constant repair things can last much longer.

iPhones are irrelevant to the discussion, lol.

peferron
> The question is how long something lasts without needing any repair. The warranty is a good approximation of this.

No, it's not. That's why some manufacturers offer much longer warranties than others despite having similar reliability numbers. Warranty terms are driven by the business and encompass a lot more than mean time to first failure.

> iPhones are irrelevant to the discussion, lol.

If warranties were a good approximation of how long things last without repair, why would that only apply in the car world?

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josephcsible
> needing maintenance

> needing any repair

But for the battery, you were talking about when it needed replacement.

endisneigh OP
Yes, in the context of battery degradation, not that the battery doesn't work at all, or battery failure.
sokoloff
They are obliged to offer a warranty that qualifies them to take the Federal Clean Air credits and commensurate with the mandated warranty on emission control devices. (An EV’s battery is an emission control device.)

Any decision to offer a warranty beyond that is driven by whether it will entice new car buyers to buy the car or to pay more for it.

throwawayboise
Warranties are for sales. They don't really say much one way or the other about the reliability of the car.

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