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When men talk about courting a woman. It just sounds like they are either hunting an animal or performing a job. Seriously, if she (or he) likes you, then it just clicks. Talk of putting effort into it removes the humanity of the other person and also gives creepy people the perspective that someone "owes" them romance because they put the hours into it.

It's just gross and misogynistic behavior.


This comment says more about you than them.

It never "just clicks". Meaningful relationships take work. In the modern adversarial dating environment, people are very wary of one another. Helping someone get to know you means getting them to let down their defenses. People are defensive and cautious these days for good reason, but often times it means meaningful connections with potential just don't happen out of apprehension.

These days, a lot of people want a readymade partner. All the tough work of becoming should be finished, there should be no personal growth left to do. If he/she doesn't already have everything you expect then time to look somewhere else. This is unhealthy. We have to rediscover how to look past the trinkets and into the human being we say we want something more with.

It's a pretty idea that people just click, that true love happens effortlessly, but it is not true, and it is a perfect fiction that destroys peoples reasonable expectations and destroys their lives in the process. How many people waited for perfection like that until they found themselves alone at 40? The only thing that just clicks is sexual attraction.

If someone believes someone else owes them romance for putting in effort they have no idea how to go about it, perhaps they never will. When you meet someone who you think is special and you decide to do the work of getting to know them and putting yourself out there for them, you do that knowing that they might not reciprocate, you accept failure as a possibility and you choose to take that risk and engage gracefully.

It does "just click". I agree meaningful relationships does take work, but it's much more natural than "quitting your job so you can WORK on courting your future-partner FULL TIME".
Yeah, I think there's a healthy middle ground between "courting is inherently unhealthy" and "you should quit your job and court full time".
And it doesn’t even have to be conscious decisions either. In my case: I was working for two clients as a freelancer but mid projects it clicked with an exchange student who was about to head back to her home country in two weeks. But it really clicked, such that I neglected my ongoing projects in a really unprofessional manner. I didn’t want to, because I really needed the money, however I just slowly stopped working on the projects so I can spend as much time as possible with this exchange student. And when I wasn’t with her, I was losing sleep thinking of her, even writing songs for her - a prototype courting behavior. Needless to say, my unprofessional behavior came back to bite me years later when I was interviewing and the potential employer was checking references including my former clients. Was that all healthy middle ground? I don’t know. I just know that 10 years later, 5 of those married, and now with two children, I don’t really care :). I'm just as happy as one can be.
For me at least that immediate sexual attraction has definitely worked out very well and resulted in long-term relationships. It probably helps that sex first, questions later is more socially acceptable where I’ve lived than it seems to be in the US. My wife and I didn’t even get married until our kids were 5 and 3.

The idea of courting where to put it bluntly you are campaigning to get someone to see you as worthwhile is pretty weird.

Which isn’t to say relationships aren’t hard work but that it’s not front-loaded. At least in my experience.

The other point of view is that parents splitting up is very traumatic on kids, so effort should be spent on trying to avoid that. A promise to stay together (marriage) is one possible way to try to avoid that.

I don't think courting is trying to front-load the effort, but rather to avoid back-loading effort. Raising kids is a lot of work, and to prove that the two of you are willing to put effort into that, you put effort into planning cool dates while courting. Once the kids come along less effort is spent on cool dates, and more effort is spent on the kids.

That’s making an assumption one route does better than the other. How do you know your assumed correlation isn’t backwards? Or that parents staying in an unhappy and abusive marriage isn’t very traumatic on kids?

In all my long term relationships we lived together for a long period of time and only one resulted in children. So I don’t think courting was particularly required to get to know one another or find a stable situation to raise kids.

On top of which the idea that planning cool dates is a good proxy for raising kids or even long term compatibility is utterly hilarious.

And that’s dodging round the implication that the main reason to have a relationship is to have kids which isn’t true at all.

Well to me, its less getting someone to see you as worthwhile and more getting someone to see you for who you are and letting them decide if they like what they see.

I spent some time in my life doing the dating thing, attraction first, and they weren't bad times, but they weren't things I wanted til I die. For me, the only long term relationship that matters is the last one. Doing things the way I've always done them wasn't going to work, and honestly I wasn't particularly looking, I just stumbled into someone that I thought was amazing and decided to do it right. There's sex before marriage, but it didn't start off as a sexual attraction. I didn't want to mess around and see where it goes, I knew where I wanted it to go, and I was upfront about it.

Being deliberate about what you want, and clear and open about wanting more from the start, it is a risk, it is easy to put the wrong message out there, and it is work from the get go. Putting the effort in to show that you really care, that this is really what you want, and that you're not some clingy weirdo trying to wife up the first girl that looks at you is not easy in today's environment.

Either you do the work or they do the work. If "it just clicks" it meant they they did they work and you didn't notice.
I like how you perform the status move of saying that these things come to you without conscious effort, that you just are yourself and women are automatically attracted to you. Very subtle.
Nope, I'm not talking about myself. I'm talking about the behavior of some people who thing women "owe" them romance because they perform specific tasks. In this case, it was quitting his job. For many years in the past women have been treated as property, traded off in marriages for family gain. Not just in history but also right now in Afghanistan, women are being sold due to financial calamity.

The writer's action of quitting his job can be seen that he gave up something and therefore deserves her affection. Very subtle.

Not sure where you're getting this from in the article. The author never once implies that he quit his job to court this woman (although elsewhere on the site he says he wanted to take the time to find a wife, still doesn't imply being owed anything) and there's nothing here along the lines of "I sacrificed my job to spend more time on her and she'd better notice."

There are men like that, and women too, and it's bad, but I'm not seeing this from the author of the article at all.

When you meet and it just clicks wouldn't you want to spend time together, plan dates, talk about your future together, send love letters (or texts), give gifts? Wouldn't that be courting? To me it seems courting is just dating with an eye toward marriage, so talking about a potential future together.

Your analogies kind of contradict each other. If someone goes hunting for several days but doesn't get a kill, would that person say they're owed an animal? Hunting isn't a transactional activity. Dating/courting aren't transactional either.

I agree. When you like someone, you make it a priority to spend time with them, be nice to them and all that other stuff. What is weird is when you quit your job to court someone. When you make a joke that there is "prophecy" that you and she will be together. On its face, it's pretentious and a laugh, but there's a subtext that if a man makes the decision he wants a women and he performs certain tasks, she has no agency in the manner.
For some people… many people struggle with establishing romantic relationships, men and women alike. I’ll be first to admit that the phrasing used by the author is dated, however

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