Comment by shripadk - Hacker Neue

shripadk Jan 12, 2021 parent

If it is an extremist thought it is better to know who is saying what than cutting off communication completely and hoping the problem goes away. But this has to go along with society coming together and addressing the problem firsthand. Is the extremist thought because of a mental illness? Is it some monetary issue driving such thoughts? Is it social issues that is driving such thoughts? Is it religion? The thoughts by themselves are immaterial unless the individual is a psychopath. Many turn extremist because of an underlying cause which I call the "root cause". Attack the root cause. That'll fix the person. For how long will society keep ignoring this aspect of human beings? Unless you dedicate funding towards tackling such issues you'll get to no where. By shutting off communications you haven't shut off these thoughts that crop up in an extremists mind. Al Qaeda existed before internet was even a thing. We have had genocides when technology did not exist. All throughout human history. It always has been bloody. On the contrary, I can argue that we are at a much better place than we were in the past many thousand years. So to only blame technology for spread of misinformation is disingenuous. Before technology existed misinformation spread rapidly through word of mouth but there was no way to cross check it. Today you have that ability to cross verify. You just need to give time to people to get used to this.

But once you introduce Censorship there is no turning back. Once authority tastes power they'll want to keep using it more and more. Just like Surveillance, Censorship will become a powerful tool in the hands of the powerful. It always starts with a valid justification.

_fq4v Jan 13, 2021

What part of Trump's policies are extremist? I ask this question honestly. None of his policies are extremist in the slightest. Even the mob on the sixth are just crazy supporters. Trump instructed them to be peaceful repeatedly, even while they were doing it. I understand that he is brusque and has a brash personality, but I cannot understand what it is about him that makes him more extreme than any other previous US president. I just do not understand.

This is an incredibly honest question. I typically ask it, people give me examples, and then I think back to previous presidents in my lifetime (none of whom I've supported, mind you), and can recall pretty much equivalent situations. Then the person I speak with gets angry and walks away really mad at me for what feels like simply remembering things that have happened in my life. I cannot understand it, and frankly, the simple refusal of people to actively engage has made me go from not liking Trump for his personality, to honestly finding him a hero. Please, will someone calmly explain to me what is extreme about Trump's policies?

I don't label Democrat policies as extreme despite no longer being part of that party and not agreeing with any of them. I don't understand the hyperbole.

shripadk OP Jan 13, 2021

I don't find his policies extremist. On the contrary I feel he did more for minority upliftment than any other US President in modern times.

I have always supported Trump over here when no one was coming out in his support. Got down voted heavily too. You can see my comments to know where I stand on this. In fact, he is the least extreme US President I have seen till date.

No matter what the majority thinks I have personally looked into policies that Trump has gotten pushed either through his executive orders or through the Congress and every single policy I have agreed to. I'm not even an American. I'm an Indian. Trump has targeted India when it comes to trade and imposed tariffs. Quite frankly I feel he was completely in the right for doing so. The deficit between our countries was too huge in terms of trade and it needed to be balanced out. There is a time and place for jingoism but not when truth is staring in your face. So you'll find more people in India pro-Trump than you'll find even in America perhaps. We can't forget his help in making sure China comes around and removed the block on UN sanctions against terrorist Maulana Masood Azhar. Obama couldn't get it done as China never took him seriously. Trump got it done. You can read more about it here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.economictimes.com/news/intern...

But I would definitely call the ones who stormed US Capitol as insurrectionists. There is no excuse for that behaviour. If at all, it damaged Trump more than it helped him. I mean the entire premise of Trump supporters being different from left-wing supporters was one knows to protest peacefully while the other indulges in riots and arson. I was extremely disappointed when I saw it go out of hand at the US Capitol. This is not what I expected. But nevertheless it happened and cannot be reversed.

tathougies Jan 13, 2021

I'm the child of indian immigrants. My parents adored trump in 2016, I was meh because all my friends told me he was a white supremacist. I thought my parents had gone mad. But then I saw that nothing my friends claimed actually came true and in fact trump governed like any other republican but way better because he didn't exclude people due to culture war issues and he didn't warmonger and brought peace.

But what really redpilled me was the impeachment farce where he literally was impeached for investigating his predecessor for crimes we now know occurred. That sends a very chilling message.

shripadk OP Jan 13, 2021

> I'm the child of indian immigrants. My parents adored trump in 2016, I was meh because all my friends told me he was a white supremacist. I thought my parents had gone mad. But then I saw that nothing my friends claimed actually came true and in fact trump governed like any other republican but way better because he didn't exclude people due to culture war issues and he didn't warmonger and brought peace.

Exactly right. Thanks for keeping an open mind and not getting caught up in this frenzy of opposing Trump just for the heck of it. I can understand how hard it is to be in America right now and be a Trump supporter.

> But what really redpilled me was the impeachment farce where he literally was impeached for investigating his predecessor for crimes we now know occurred. That sends a very chilling message.

Spot on.

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